Germans Rebel Against Gas Boiler Ban

https://www.ft.com/content/21beeb8d-08de-46db-97c4-a976d3f0b90c

by belter • 3 years ago

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belter• 3 years ago

https://archive.is/AIxu1

kramerger2• 3 years ago

To be fair, Germans have themselves to blame for decades of horrible energy politics.

Now they are in panic mode. Can't really say I feel sorry for them.

jonp8882• 3 years ago

Excluding the closure of nuclear power stations, what do you consider bad about the German energy policy?

blibble• 3 years ago

lignite?

gumballindie2• 3 years ago

Germany has a long history of poor energy source choices (polluting cars, coal use, reliance on highly polluting energy sources from russia - fortunately this ended but only after strong-arming, not willingly). I understand it’s position as an energy poor country but it needs to change course, which i am sure it will.

reverius42• 3 years ago

Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

kramerger2• 3 years ago

Closure of nuclear power while refusing the deploy wind power because NIMBY.

I am actually surprised they are not actively trying to stop people having "balkonkraftwerk".

andromeduck3• 3 years ago

Reliance on coal & gas. High energy costs. Residential rates subsidizing industrial.

ChatGTP• 3 years ago

Americas is much better because when it goes bad they just invade Iraq or JB flies over and shakes hands with murderers to get the good stuff?

_hypx4• 3 years ago

If only Germany had invested in a long-lasting, baseload power generation system that produces no CO₂ emissions and involves splitting atoms…

wudangmonk• 3 years ago

The requirement says 65% renewables, is nuclear power considered a renewable too?

_hypx4• 3 years ago

FYI, Germany shut down all its nuclear power. It's not really a meaningful differentiation at this point.

credit_guy• 3 years ago

Why renewables and not low carbon?

YmiYugy• 3 years ago

Yes, but so is all electricity, because the law only considers local emissions. This might seem counterproductive given how coal heavy the German grid is, but unless customers are able to produce 65% of their required energy via solar panels, which is really tough in the winter, it would be basically impossible to comply with that law. Decarbonizing the grid is of course the aim of other policies, but given how large parts of German media and basically all but the Green party seem to be focused on actively or quietly obstructing any effective climate action.

Mizoguchi• 3 years ago

Too risky for the environment they said, so they switched to Russian gas.

Fgehono6• 3 years ago

If only you would understand the context better.

Germany was not allowed to do nuclear after WW2.

German then took the Three Mile Island accident much more serious.

And later in the 80 there was tchernobyl. Even today you need to check some meat you hunted from the Bavarian forest against radiation.

Tchernobyl is part of Germans history too.

Germany has double the density of France which makes nuclear even harder to do.

I really hate comments like yours, simplifying complex things like this makes it out that we are just too stupid for nuclear... No there are reasons

_hypx4• 3 years ago

It isn't complex. Germany's behavior is pure phobia. Japan has an even higher population density than Germany and is still pursuing nuclear. The simply fact is, nuclear is among the safest energy source possible. With modern safety standards and Germany's lack of plate tectonics, it is basically impossible for a serious nuclear event to occur in Germany.

amadeuspagel2• 3 years ago

Germany was not allowed to do nuclear after WW2.

How does that matter today?

Germany has double the density of France which makes nuclear even harder to do.

Yes, same is true for any other source of energy.

tticvs• 3 years ago

I really hate comments like yours, trying to justify bad decisions instead of admitting you're wrong.

Of course there are reasons, they are just not good ones. They were bad then, and disastrously bad now in light of the climate change threat.

andromeduck3• 3 years ago

Explain Japan.

rhaway84773• 3 years ago

Yeah, amazing why countries didn’t invest in a source of energy that was, is, and likely will be the most expensive and only gets more expensive with time. Really amazing why no one did that.

jonp8882• 3 years ago

3..2..1.. Get ready for dozens of comments from Americans who for some reason have very strong opinions on German nuclear policy, even though it has nothing to do with article

gumballindie2• 3 years ago

Seems like americans are the only ones able to speak up as everyone else in europe needs to shut up or face sanctions.

AlphaCharlie• 3 years ago

I don’t think this generalization carries your point.

Do you live in Europe? Are you aware of the numerous opinions on this matter in Europe?

If you did, your comment would have more nuance.

amadeuspagel2• 3 years ago

It is just that to install one he would have to knock down his house and build a new one.

Maybe we should focus on making that process easier.

Germans Rebel Against Gas Boiler Ban

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