r/all removals over time

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by beefman • 3 years ago

47 50 3 years ago

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beefman2• 3 years ago

From https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditMinusMods/

I really don't get why so many posts need to be removed. Other than bullying and harassment, isn't that what the vote buttons are for?

beefman2• 3 years ago

Funny enough, this post was initially shadow-blocked here. But I noticed I couldn't comment on it and wrote to dang asking why. He unblocked it and explained that submissions pointing to redd.it are automatically shadow-blocked.

130e13a• 3 years ago

they're actively trying to make the site more "family-friendly" (i.e., advertiser-friendly), since they have their IPO coming up later this year.

zirgs5• 3 years ago

And yet they still have porn subreddits. Also I've bern hearing about that "upcoming IPO" for like 5 years now and it still doesn't happen.

geraldhh3• 3 years ago

once reddit get's bought, it's on a trajectory to irrelevance, because nobody will buy that cesspit w/o a massive "betterment agenda".

red_admiral• 3 years ago

I think the general direction you're describing is correct, but it might also be that occasionally someone at reddit looks at the front page of voat and thinks "let's not become that".

Natsu2• 3 years ago

There's a lot of power in shaping how people see the world, and with more of our experience of the world being virtual, it's easier to shape than ever before.

zirgs5• 3 years ago

Thankfully I can go outside, talk to people and find out that they don't have the same opinions as reddit mods/admins.

tsss• 3 years ago

You ever been to reddit? Practically all of the large subreddits have been taking over by power moderators who are either karma whores and obviously paid to push ads or hobby political commissars who ban anything and everything not fitting into their ideological agenda.

DharmaPolice• 3 years ago

I'm often skeptical about Reddit moderators but one of the things the voting system doesn't handle very well is near duplicate submissions. On /r/soccer for example when there is a big story (e.g. Messi leaving Barcelona) there will be hundreds of submissions of essentially the same story (with different sources). There is some benefit in having discussion of the topic confined to a few threads (or maybe just one), rather than the entire subreddit be temporarily unusable until this storm passes.

On traditional forums threads could be merged together - which was often confusing but it at least allowed comments made up to that point to be retained. Reddit doesn't seem to have that functionality (or at least I've never seen it).

account426• 3 years ago

Merging is really the best solution here as ideally that would allow retaining not just all comments but also all aternative sources. HN kind of does this by moving comments and then referencing the duplicate discussion in a comment.

But its also not always uncontroversial what should and shouldn't be merged. E.g. this allows moderators to select the article most favorable to their views and then give it all the comments, effectively boosting one viewpoint while hiding others.

mhh__• 3 years ago

Moderators (/r/soccer ones get accused repeatedly, no comment either way from me) get accused of removing posts so they can get the "scoop" too, rather than being solely due censorship.

dale_glass3• 3 years ago

Because 99% of what people submit is crap.

Any insufficiently moderated subreddit quickly devolves into spam, low effort content and memes. And when big events happen you'll have 20 people submitting the same thing, then 15 follow-up posts about "Why am I being censored?"

Reddit is kinda crap at deduplication. It compares URLs exactly, and still doesn't know that youtube.com and youtu.be are the same place, or that the junk appended to a youtube URL is mostly irrelevant.

tourmalinetaco• 3 years ago

Any insufficiently moderated subreddit quickly devolves into spam, low effort content and memes.

Any sufficiently large subreddit, regardless of moderation. Once a subreddit reaches critical mass, its inundated with low quality posts as mentioned. One can argue that is due to poor moderation, which would be part of it, but I find it’s mostly just the Reddit “culture” to create stale memes of the same formats but with subreddit-specific things tacked on, instead of interesting discussion.

The only times I don’t see this is in subreddits where posting is reserved to people who have to prove their worth in some degree, which naturally isn’t an ideal system either.

adhesive_wombat2• 3 years ago

It seems strange to me that things like Reddit, Twitter, YouTube etc seem to be treated as inviolable constants, both by users and by their owners. It's kind of taken for granted that they just fell from the sky like that and need to be worked around. Which, yes, I suppose they kind of do, and even a million people wanting something is a rounding error, but it's very different to collaborative projects.

unixhero• 3 years ago

Remember that Reddit is trying to monetize. This drives them away from meme culture, and tries more and more to be politically correct with measures such as quarantined subreddits.

deofoo• 3 years ago

It could be interesting to compare with marketing efforts. Follow the money..

suddenclarity2• 3 years ago

Whenever I visited /r/all, at least half of the posts were political posts. Either antiwork spinoffs or screenshots from Twitter/Facebook with the thread hating on the person's political views. Hardly marketing friendly.

One period people would find tiny subreddits, post something, share it on private Discord servers and have people vote it to the frontpage. Trying to avoid political subreddits as a user was like playing Whac-A-Mole.

ro_bit• 3 years ago

Why does the graph stop at 50% (or what I assume to be percent)?

joecool1029• 3 years ago

The bot posts every 12 hours, so each datapoint is the recorded number of /r/all removals in each post, or every 12 hours. The lines between the datapoints represent the change between those two datapoints, which makes it easier to see the trend.[1]

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditMinusMods/comments/mbsafj/her...

mvdtnz• 3 years ago

I've read this 5 times and I'm having a really hard time parsing what he's trying to say here. Can anyone help out?

SifJar2• 3 years ago

it's labelled as number of removals, I think it's an absolute number of removed posts per day(?)

edit: sibling comment points out it's per 12 hour period, not per day

edit: as for the cap of 50 - it seems that is the number of posts shown on a first page of r/all (using old reddit), so it seems that means that all 50 slots "should" be filled with posts that have been removed

banana_giraffe• 3 years ago

It's showing 50 of the top 50 posts to /r/all in each 12 hour window have been removed.

It's the results of the bot that generates posts to /r/RedditMinusMods/ tracking such deletes that looks like https://imgur.com/21qaLjx .

carabiner• 3 years ago

This would be way better as a scatter plot. It is not meaningful to interpolate between points, and so there's no reason to connect the points with a line. The line forms a solid color block that obscures possible trends.

Krssst• 3 years ago

I think this should have been %removed posts, otherwise it could very well just be proportional to the amount of posts submitted and follow reddit's popularity.

account426• 3 years ago

It seems to only count removals of posts that would have been on the first page, that's why it caps at 50.

cr3ative• 3 years ago

The utility of /r/all has all but gone. It was a useful view to "what's the most popular anywhere on the site", but for various good reasons, many subreddits don't qualify to show there - either by being removed or opting out of display there. It's a bit of a shame.

zecg• 3 years ago

"with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high water mark — that place where the wave finally broke, and rolled back..."

zapdrive• 3 years ago

Up until 2016ish, discussions on reddit used to be very balanced politically. You could find the top voted comment leaning extreme left, and the second top voted comment leaning to the right. Now you all the top comments are left and any right leaning comment is highly down voted to the negatives. Either the country suddenly shifted far left or reddit is getting highly moderated to make it look like that.

nannal2• 3 years ago

It's a shame there's no discernible external reason, or series of events, that would push young people towards left leaning ideologies.

Furthermore it's extraordinarily strange this began back in 2016.

account426• 3 years ago

Yes, almost like one "side" got spooked and really embraced the idea of censorship to manufacture consent around that time.

hnbad3• 3 years ago

Either the country suddenly shifted far left

I don't see an increase in direct democracy, a move away from government support of corporations towards worker coops, massive tax hikes for billionaires, any plans to build a nationwide public transit highspeed rail network or any serious consideration of public universal free healthcare, education, housing and food so I'm not sure what you mean by "far left".

If you consider acceptance of LGBTQ people and acknowledgement of the long-lasting multi-generational effects of discriminatory laws and chattel slavery "far left" then yes, the broad public in the US seems to be "far left" and has been for decades (though until certain talking heads started calling everything "Marxist" again, the usual term for these ideas was "progressive"). Arguably it has been more of a back-and-forth if you consider how much hatred for muslims and Arabs (or any brown person mistaken for either) flared up post-9/11. We also saw a steady increase in LGBTQ rights and support until it was turned into a "culture war" issue a few years ago, though public opinion doesn't seem to have followed the urgency apparently felt by certain politicians and pundits.

or reddit is getting highly moderated to make it look like that.

I'm wondering about the use of passive voice as it would suggest someone else (not reddit) is making this decision, presumably with some kind of ulterior motive. Who would that be and more importantly why do you think they would make this decision?

r/all removals over time

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