CodeSprint programming contest to match developers to companies

http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/22/codesprint/

by rvivek • 15 years ago

35 25 15 years ago

Just to clarify a quote: “Everything will be based on performance — how fast they code, how many they get right.”

This is a slight misrepresentation of the original intent. What we meant to say is that we measure code execution speed, not how fast people type.

vilya2• 15 years ago

This sounds absolutely awful from a candidates point of view. 48 hours is a very long time for what is effectively an extended technical interview.

The hackathon format works well for one-off fun events, but no-one should ever be pulling 48 hour coding stints at work. Being charitable, I guess this tests how well people perform under crunch conditions - but would you want to work for a company which is actively planning to crunch?

rvivek2• 15 years ago

Hey vilya, there are multiple challenges and short interesting real-world problems. So you can finish sooner, in fact the rank #1 last time finished in 12 hours :) You can checkout codesprint.interviewstreet.com for more info.

vilya2• 15 years ago

Everything on that page gives me the impression that it's a solid 48hrs; maybe you need to adjust the copy? The explanation posted elsewhere on this thread by mikeinterviewst makes it sound more reasonable.

I'm probably not your target audience anyway (happily I'm past that stage in my career), but I was also put off by being asked to login in order to see sample questions.

jebblue• 15 years ago

I'll be glad to prove my hacker chops, what's the rate?

mikeinterviewst5• 15 years ago

It's free for programmers to participate.

tomjen32• 15 years ago

One of us missed the point -- I don't think he was talking about the rate he had to pay.

Programming is a valuable skill. How much does he get for spending 48 hours of his time?

JosephHatfield• 15 years ago

With all due respect, on the surface this seems like a way to find desperate 20-somethings with stamina, a serious Red Bull habit, and a willingness to work obscene hours.

mikeinterviewst5• 15 years ago

Companies choose candidates on a per-question weighting system. Thus, if you spend only a couple of hours, but on a problem that is valued highly by a specific company, then there's a good chance that they'll still notice you.

veemjeem2• 15 years ago

So it's basically like topcoder.com -- do you know any great developers that use that site to get noticed? Neither do I.

moocow013• 15 years ago

Yes, and? ...

(yeah I know its sad but I think thats what a lot of these places love to chew up and spit out. Its probably a perfect service for the companies to find these types.)

veemjeem2• 15 years ago

The great developers would not be attracted by this tool though since it basically commoditizes their talent. It's sad when recruiting innovation basically revolves around getting people to take more exams.

heliodor• 15 years ago

This is as shallow as interviews get. In terms of the interview process, I agree with a post yesterday where the writer was explaining how the more you interview people, the more you move away from the solve-a-problem interview technique and shift toward analyzing the recommendations the person has. Recommendations provide the signals you need: gets work done, drive, communication skills, people skills, work style, etc. Then you ask for a source code sample to examine what goes on under the hood and you're finished.

moocow013• 15 years ago

For people with experience and multiple job offers which most likely are the types company's want or at least should be trying to hire, there is no incentive to utilize these services in my mind. While I'm sure there are a few great applicants, I'd guess the quality of the applicant pool is going to be quite low in that the cost benefit analysis for a very qualified person is not so great. If anything, I'd probably see it as a red flag on a company that is hiring heavily from services like these.

jphackworth• 15 years ago

For people with experience and multiple job offers... there is no incentive

That's true. But think about a smart programmer who is fresh out of school, or maybe dropped out. If you don't have anything on your resume yet, this could be a reasonable way to break into the tech scene.

alexis-d3• 15 years ago

Nice error handling from them...

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  INSERT INTO `recruit_hackers` (`email`) VALUES (NULL)

  Filename: /var/www/istreet/html/recruit/models/supermodel.php

  Line Number: 335

rvivek2• 15 years ago

hey alexis, when does this happen?

alexis-d3• 15 years ago

When I tried to see problems of fall 2011 (using Facebook for login).

mikeinterviewst5• 15 years ago

Wow, we did not expect to see this level of criticism from the comments.

A lot of the focus is on the 48 hour period, in that it's basically way too long to expect you guys to participate. We don't expect people to code all 48 hours; the decision was basically "make it a weekend long", but we are not tied in any way to that time period. Would it be much better if we shortened the time period to 24 hours? (We can't shorten it any more than that; as this is a global competition, everyone needs to have the same amount of daytime) The goal is not to have you guys burn yourselves out. The goal is to assess you all as quickly as possible.

From our perspective, we sort of viewed CodeSprint as a time saver; everyone you apply to nowadays requires some sort of technical proof. Sometimes you can get away with it if you have a github with a lot of open source projects, but not everyone has that.

With CodeSprint, you get to choose among a variety of problems, and companies with those specific problems get to find you. Because they receive the full code solutions, our goal is for CodeSprint to consolidate and replace the "do-a-technical-problem" part of the normal interview process. Except, this time around, this one set of problems is what's used for multiple companies, instead of just one.

rdouble• 15 years ago

A company runs the risk of exposing other hiring biases by using these services, or pre-interview puzzles. If someone solves the problems, yet is not offered an interview, it makes the hiring process seem more opaque and arbitrary, not less.

I enjoy programming puzzles and solved the puzzles for Spotify one weekend. I sent in my resume to see what would happen. I was rejected about 2 hours later. I went in thinking it was cool that Spotify was so meritocratic to use programming puzzles as a hiring filter, but came out thinking the process is just totally arbitrary.

nerds2• 15 years ago

I think people are missing the point of Codesprint. The point is not that 48 hours is too long etc. etc. (enough coders spend 54hrs at Startup Weekend) or that you are working for free for a big co.

The main point is that tech talent is extremely hard to find. Therefore it is valuable for companies to find someone who walks the talk.

For someone who is a good hacker and is just entering the job market, this is the real shit. No BS, no fake answers, no "i-want-to-change-the-world crap" - just being able to solve the problems at hand. And, these are the kind of people who end up changing the world by being part of sexy startups and maybe even starting up on their own later. Heck, if you are real hacker, 48hours of challenges is the best way to spend that time.

CodeSprint programming contest to match developers to companies

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