Forgejo – Launching a Fork of Gitea

https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo

by joencott • 4 years ago

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adjusted• 4 years ago

Is Gitea a for-profit project? What's wrong with that?

jrop• 4 years ago

https://blog.gitea.io/2022/10/open-source-sustainment-and-th...

Yeah looks like they are selling support, which I have no problem with. I actually recently set up Gitea and Drone together and it is a match made in heaven. I don't have a problem if open source developers try to monetize their work. I will likely try to do the same with a few projects in the future, lol

tomxor• 4 years ago

I don't have any problem with them selling support and hosting.

I do have a problem with "An enhanced enterprise version", because this often means arbitrarily locking features behind that enterprise version and working against the interests of the open source code base. What happens in reality is probably more down to the immediate maintainers... however with bad incentives it's just a matter of time.

cmjs2• 4 years ago

I also don't have a problem if open source developers try to monetize their work. In fact I think it's great, if done right. But context is important here.

In Gitea's case, I think this could have been done right, with the community's knowledge and involvement. But that's not what happened. Two of the three "elected owners" of the project effectively undertook a hostile takeover, transferring the ownership of the domains and trademarks to a secretive private company, without telling anyone until after the fact. I know people who were formerly active maintainers, and they were taken completely by surprise – even though it turns out that preparations for this had been ongoing behind closed doors for many months.

At first, I and many others thought it was perhaps a case of failures of communication, and were prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. But after an open letter was signed by many community members, and the people behind Gitea Ltd had ample opportunity to improve the situation, they only dug their heels in and made things worse, and refused to answer questions beyond corporate-speak PR posts. It was at that point that the decision was taken to fork.

As a Gitea user and as someone who is excited about the forge ecosystem and the future of forge federation, I truly hope that Gitea as a community project continues to thrive, and that the company ultimately doesn't derail the community. Unfortunately, I am also very pessimistic about that being the reality, and so I think this fork is a very positive development.

tiagod• 4 years ago

I remember some disagreements about control of key domains and infrastructure between the OSS maintainers and the nonprofit/company mamagement.

joencott15• 4 years ago

The open letter gives all the details you need to know https://gitea-open-letter.coding.social/

TheBrokenRail• 4 years ago

While the seeming lack of communication from the Gitea owners (see the Gitea open letter) is a bit worrying, it does seem a bit premature to fork and potentially fragment the community before they've actually done anything.

gtaylor• 4 years ago

Gitea itself was forked off of Gogs.

josephcsible2• 4 years ago

Gitea said they were going to make "An enhanced enterprise version" (i.e., a proprietary version). That's bad enough to warrant a fork in my book.

joencott15• 4 years ago

If only everyone follows ddevault's advice and starts each project with AGPL, that way no company can steal the code.

joencott15• 4 years ago

Today the for-profit company released a code dump for the implementation of an integrated CI/CD server. This was worked on in secret for months by multiple people with no say from the community. Gitea should work with Woodpecker for closer integration, not build one by itself. There is no incentive for the company to support alternative CI/CD

ofrzeta• 4 years ago

It's the first time I hear of Woodpecker https://woodpecker-ci.org/ And I thought I knew the CI/CD ecosystem fairly well. Now I learned that it's a fork of Drone https://www.drone.io/ Oh, the irony.

ViViDboarder• 4 years ago

Sorry, why should they work with Woodpecker? I like the project, but options are generally good. For example, Why work on Woodpecker? Why not Jenkins?

shugen• 4 years ago

Actualy in Chinese community（QQ group which like Discord server）, there are two daily problem, one is Is there an integrated CI/CD, and the other one is When is Gitea Action(runner/Bot) out.

Personaly, i have been request CI/CD support for half year due to there is no artifact in drone or woodpeeker.

isitmadeofglass• 4 years ago

Things being what they are, gitea is essentially the form, and this is the continuation of the existing open source model. Gitea(Tm) is trying to fragment the community by creating a company, but this fork is just about building a great open source product.

If anyone at Gitea(Tm) is seriously afraid of fragmenting the community they are free to contribute to the open source product just like everyone else, but the open source community is naturally not free to engage in anything on behalf of the company.

notpushkin• 4 years ago

See also: Open letter to Gitea, https://gitea-open-letter.coding.social/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33372471 – 28 days ago (134 comments)

yewenjie• 4 years ago

Just letting people know Gitea is already a fork of Gogs. So there are going to be three similar but parallel projects all sharing some history?

https://github.com/gogs/gogs

avinassh2• 4 years ago

Is there anyway I can find out the differences between two gogs and gitea?

5e92cb50239222b3• 4 years ago

https://docs.gitea.io/en-us/comparison/

mekster• 4 years ago

Hard to pronounce name sounds already like a bad start.

joencott15• 4 years ago

It's easy \ˈfor.d͡ʒe.jo\ the Esperanto word for forge

5e92cb50239222b3• 4 years ago

… unless your first language is very different from Esperanto. It really does sound weird. I already imagine trying to sell this at my $DAYJOB (I would likely have to "fork" it myself just to replace a few strings in the codebase that mention the original name).

riffraff• 4 years ago

The problem is g and j have a variety of pronunciations across languages, some of them overlapping!

And English being the mess that it is, it has multiple pronunciations itself.

So It is a bit of a messy name, tho I appreciate I can read it with the Italian interpretation of those.

archsurface• 4 years ago

This doesn't roll off the tongue at all. I'm afraid it's a very poor name.

manfre• 4 years ago

It's easy

The many comments disagree. I hope you are content with people referring to it as "forge" or "Forge Joe".

DandyDev• 4 years ago

For us plebs that don't fluently read phonetics, can you spell it with equivalent sounds from English?

rcarmo• 4 years ago

It’s an idealistic choice and not a pragmatic one. In Portuguese it’s passable, but still off (I understand most Southern European languages and a smattering of German, and it feels like a poor choice in any of them).

synergy20• 4 years ago

call it gitgo please? forgejo is a non starter name to me.

TylerE3• 4 years ago

Go is rather an… overloaded word at this point

return_to_monke• 4 years ago

could you say .... generic?

2Gkashmiri2• 4 years ago

so can anyone here quantify

gogs

gitea

forgejo

how are they different? which one is more mature, more stable? more likely to not go kaput?

joencott15• 4 years ago

Forgejo is a community-run fork because the project should not be owned by a for-profit company.

2Gkashmiri2• 4 years ago

why fork gitea and not gogs? is gitea "better" than the former?

avinassh2• 4 years ago

are the core developers and other contributors migrating to Forgejo?

hsn915• 4 years ago

Sounds like pointless drama to be honest.

sandreas• 4 years ago

Mmh, I wonder what integrating act[1] into a CI System would look like... you could easily migrate your github projects to self-hosted and still support something like woodpecker ci.

[1] https://github.com/nektos/act

joencott15• 4 years ago

This should not be trusted, the for-profit company worked on in secret on this for months with multiple people, and released it today in a code dump with no input from the community. Now they have no incentive to support alternative CI/CD like woodpecker

kuramitropolis• 4 years ago

Nice to see they're keeping the pronunciation ambiguity!

rjzzleep• 4 years ago

Well-being and moderation teams were already created. Must be a VERY vibrant community.

There is a section for what does Forgejo offer but what does it offer that gitea does not?

joencott15• 4 years ago

Forgejo is owned by an independent community instead of a for-profit company, and promises to be free/libre forever!

techdragon2• 4 years ago

So, reducing to the actual difference we have … “not them” and “promises to be different from them” …

As someone using neither of them Im genuinely perplexed why anyone trying to work in this space thinks they have a snowballs chance in hell of long term survival if they don’t have some level of critical mass. If the moment the mass reaches critical and business organisation is needed to deal with the legal and business stuff… this whole debacle is a very hardline open source philosophy shitshow and I fully expect this splinter group to eventually fail with the longer term survival of the parent project now less certain because they lost some of that critical mass right at a crucial moment in their growth towards a sustainable level of business cashflow (which is a necessary evil in order for developers working in any software to make a god damn living and not die starving in a gutter) …

So yeah, please tell me why your promises make you qualitatively better at something I would care about?

If your business/community are getting the bulk of their growth from the community of people being alienated from a much larger, older, platform… it behoves you to not make it harder for people to choose you from the other options as they walk out the proverbial door.

tommica• 4 years ago

Exciting - the action does seem to fit with how codeberg presents themselves! And they should have no trouble battle-testing their project.

archerx2• 4 years ago

This is interesting but does codeberg dictate what projects are acceptable? From this post it seems that codeberg has an authoritarian vibe to the point where you can produce “wrong code”;

https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/794#issuecomm...

If that is the case I’ll stick with my self hosted gitlab.

joencott15• 4 years ago

A platform needs to be moderated, and I support Codeberg. Ddevault and SourceHut already banned all cryptocurrency-related projects.

mariusor• 4 years ago

What does SourceHut have to do with anything ? Are you planning to include cryptocurrency functionality in this fork?

archerx2• 4 years ago

Thanks for the clarification. I’m not a crypto dev or into crypto much but I’m not into the idea of banning people for “wrong code”, “wrong speak” or idealogical reasons so I’ll be sure to stay away from sourceHut, Ddevault and codeberg.

Good luck to you none the less.

encryptluks22• 4 years ago

That isn't the vibe I got from that post. The vibe I got is that individual posts a wall of text about their crypto viewpoints, akin to... I totally debunked this on my blog, just go check it out where I might also predict the markets based on gematria, and the admins are like... nope, we don't care to comment on your weird post dude cause you couldn't get the point and sound like a cryptobro.

kamikazechaser• 4 years ago

From this post it seems that codeberg has an authoritarian vibe to the point where you can produce “wrong code”;

This aged well. One of the mods has already threatened to ban someone who literally did nothing wrong.

zx8080• 4 years ago

Esperanto name is a strange choice. Is it a result of voting in community?

asddubs2• 4 years ago

the name of this project just becomes increasingly unpronounceable with each fork

joencott15• 4 years ago

It was done by a democratic vote https://codeberg.org/forgejo/meta/issues/1#issuecomment-6885...

vpzom• 4 years ago

I assume this is meant to be "forĝejo" (place of forging), but dropping the accent makes it "distant gay man" instead

r-w2• 4 years ago

The “j” is pronounced like the English letter “y”.

Forgejo – Launching a Fork of Gitea

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