California begins to decouple parking from new residential construction

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/09/california-gavin-newsom-ab-2097-housing-parking-car-culture/

by vwoolf • 4 years ago

29 17 4 years ago

It's gonna be really fun trying to convince people to live in neighborhoods that you can't get in or out of because the nearest parking space is 2 miles away.

djchen• 4 years ago

The law doesn't say you can't build parking spaces with the dwelling(s) nor does it make it harder to include parking in the proposal for the dwelling(s).

throwayyy4790872• 4 years ago

How much is housing in Soho, Central London, and Tokyo again?

Must be cheap based on this metric. Remember that soho has one pretty crappy subway station, so it’s not particularly transit rich.

Ekaros• 4 years ago

People will buy there because it is slightly cheaper. And then it will all fail, because the limited parking will be filled with cars and everyone will complain.

jchonphoenix• 4 years ago

California forgot it doesn't have any usable public transit.

shiftpgdn• 4 years ago

Doesn’t matter. It’ll fix itself based on demand.

rdtwo• 4 years ago

Nah it will just create a new style of poverty and rob poor people if even more time

LatteLazy2• 4 years ago

That's great, now build the transit and walkable neighbourhoods people will need so they can live there.

throwayyy4790872• 4 years ago

One depends on the other. There’s no area with tons of parking that’s walkable.

LatteLazy2• 4 years ago

I agree, I just think that right now there is a risk no one will actually provide a working alternative. They will either change nothing, or squeeze more plots in and when the whole place grinds to a halt for lack of space they will have moved on already.

I really think the problem with lack of walkable (liveable really) neighbourhoods is that it needs both state planning AND developers to be properly incentivised. That is why no one has managed it yet, there is very little overlap between those groups.

Thanks for listening to my ted talk!

oxfeed65261• 4 years ago

A standard suburban indoor mall has tons of parking and is walkable.

thirdmunky• 4 years ago

Donald Shoup, who the article credits in large part for this change, has given many talks about parking. Some are available on YouTube [1]. Well worth a listen.

[1] https://youtu.be/r0gokb4rPik

mchusma• 4 years ago

This is a huge win! It would be nice if it would also apply to commercial properties too. I highly recommend "the high cost of free parking" if you have not read it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Cost_of_Free_Parking

There is also a good Econtalk episode on it, https://www.econtalk.org/donald-shoup-on-the-economics-of-pa...

midislack• 4 years ago

This just sounds awful, nobody wants this. It's imposed from "on high."

sul_tasto• 4 years ago

Seems like a great way for housing developers to increase their margins.

yongjik• 4 years ago

It's been half amusing and half depressing to watch so many people espousing the freedom of cars, and the moment the government says it won't force homebuilders to include parking spaces, they are all up in arms decrying the loss of their perceived freedom.

What does freedom even mean here?

California begins to decouple parking from new residential construction

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