Figma vs. Adobe XD

https://www.figma.com/figma-vs-adobe-xd/

by psnehanshu • 4 years ago

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varorav• 4 years ago

Either the page is going down or the intention to keep Figma operating independently remains giving Adobe customers a choice between XD and Figma. Internal conflict of offerings from a company aren't new.. looking at both AWS and Azure..

speedgoose• 4 years ago

Maybe it’s a good strategy to saturate the market with your owns products.

Like L'Oréal and its 3000 brands that fill the supermarkets.

Weatherweathe• 4 years ago

Unlike loreal, keeping both alive prob means a lot of development cost.

achow3• 4 years ago

Phew! The page is archived.

https://archive.is/AuEtn

can16358p• 4 years ago

Interesting, I can view the page with no problems.

Having said that, let's see how Adobe will try to merge these two tools into one.

pavlov2• 4 years ago

Adobe doesn’t merge products after acquisitions, they just shut down the less popular one.

Cf. Freehand, Fireworks, Director, GoLive…

mjhagen• 4 years ago

CF is still around ;)

curiousgal• 4 years ago

Figma will be forever free for students and educators.

Forever™

samhuk• 4 years ago

I thought the exact same thing. If I had a dollar every time a company like this, e.g. Microsoft, promised the same thing...

Just look at Microsoft buying Activision, saying they won't make Call of Duty Xbox exclusive. A few months later Sony already pointing out changed that are being made that are going in that direction.

Honestly, anyone who believes that Figma will stay free for students is nieve, at best.

obilgic• 4 years ago

intentionally keeping the page up for few more weeks, so that outsiders can justify the move by adobe.

achow3• 4 years ago

Figma was smart.

But I use Photoshop and Illustrator…

Don’t stop! We believe you should use the best tool for the job. If you’re photo-editing, choose Adobe Photoshop. If you’re doing detailed illustrations, Adobe Illustrator is a no-brainer.

capableweb2• 4 years ago

Don’t stop! We believe you should use the best tool for the job. If you’re photo-editing, choose Adobe Photoshop. If you’re doing detailed illustrations, Adobe Illustrator is a no-brainer.

Meanwhile, the acquisition message from Adobe was something like "We can't wait to make Figma better for photographers and illustrators".

Infamous "Everything will grow until it has X" and now it's Figma's turn.

arkitaip2• 4 years ago

Shit I've ever thought about until now but I wonder how Adobe will cripple Figma to stop if from competing with their other products. I know tons of designers who do illustrations and simpler en graphics in Figma.

that_guy_iain• 4 years ago

Why would anyone need this page to justify Adobe's move? I would think the straight up adoption rate of Figma alone would easily justify it to pretty much anyone.

croes• 4 years ago

"Faster in the cloud With Figma, your files just live on the Web. No more version mixups. No more cloud syncing. No more transferring files between your work and personal computers."

In other words, your data doesn't belong to you. No service, no data.

There is no cloud just other people's computer.

pavlov2• 4 years ago

And this is why Adobe is paying so much for Figma: they’ve built the kind of closed data garden that Adobe wants to own across its whole product range.

Every year it becomes a bit harder to find the “default to local file system” setting in Photoshop (it’s off on a fresh install). Every year the UI for Creative Cloud files becomes a bit bigger. Eventually access to local files is probably going to be locked behind an administrator password with scary warning dialogs.

7952• 4 years ago

Exactly. They want to be the Microsoft teams of media. The individual apps are less important than the ecosystem and network effects.

de_keyboard• 4 years ago

I hate it but will probably pick up some stock.

glenneroo• 4 years ago

You can't even disable it completely, at best in e.g. Lightroom you can pause the cloud sync and it may get re-enabled without your consent. You will only notice that your upload bandwidth is suddenly saturated and if you have a monitoring tool installed, are you able to determine who is the culprit. It once chewed through my meager monthly quota overnight when I installed it on a laptop prior to going to a friend's house who didn't have internet while tethered to my phone. I was very unhappy about that "feature" to say the least.

leokennis• 4 years ago

Why not build a reverse cloud solution? Files are worked on right in the cloud, and then afterwards automatically synced to a local folder on one or more computers? This way if the cloud implodes, you at least have several (nearly) up to date copies of your work.

rubatuga• 4 years ago

cough cough git

kwijibob• 4 years ago

Sure there are risks- but it is fantastic functionality to collaborate in a web first app like Figma or Google Workspace.

matsemann• 4 years ago

If you've ever tried collaborating on design files, the file only living on the web is a feature. No merge conflicts or other issues. No sending the same file back and forth with new revisions.

Abstract for Sketch is nice, but having to help a designer resolve merge conflicts is annoying.

hsn9153• 4 years ago

If you're a company, this is solvable by making the files live in a server the company controls.

If you're an individual this is obviously not a concern.

RealCodingOtaku• 4 years ago

In case someone didn't know, Figma is being acquired buy Adobe. This post will not stay up for long.

https://www.figma.com/blog/a-new-collaboration-with-adobe/

throw_m239339• 4 years ago

well now it's archived: https://archive.ph/AuEtn

nimbix• 4 years ago

Isn't XD pretty much dead? The last release that wasn't just bugfixes happened a year ago, while before that they were pushing out something new every month or two.

capableweb2• 4 years ago

Probably they stopped investing in XD as soon as acquiring Figma became an idea, which must have been a long time ago.

gherkinnn2• 4 years ago

Unrelated, but XD is such a stupid name.

Reminds me of my teenage texting days xD

chupchap• 4 years ago

Figma has amazing collaboration features but working on larger projects on figma is terrible. It gets very glitchy and doesn't match the responsiveness of XD in my limited experience.

arkitaip2• 4 years ago

It's also trivial to create mockups that never finish loading in the share view. Still the best design collab tool, though.

pwdisswordfish9• 4 years ago

Yeah, I haven’t seen that emoticon in years.

gherkinnn2• 4 years ago

Also, pay attention to the Adobe XD’s sharing and cloud storage limits. The Starter plan allows for one shared file and 2GB of file storage. With Figma, sharing and cloud storage is unlimited.

Let’s pay attention to Adobe FG‘s upcoming limits then.

zhiQ• 4 years ago

Should rename this to Why Adobe acquire Figma?

michelb• 4 years ago

So they can build all of their CC apps on the Figma tech.

sidjor2• 4 years ago

Not many realize that when you use an adobe product you are giving them a right to conduct an audit of your organization. These are typically fishing expeditions by consulting companies like E&Y. The last time they sent one of these mails - I had bluntly told them their products are crap and we are heavy users of figma.

From https://www.adobe.com/in/legal/terms.html 15. Audit Rights. If you are a Business, then we may, no more than once every 12 months, upon seven 7 days’ prior notice to you, appoint our personnel or an independent third-party auditor who is obliged to maintain confidentiality to inspect (including manual inspection, electronic methods, or both) your records, systems, and facilities to verify that your installation and use of any and all Services or Software is in conformity with its valid licenses from us. Additionally, you will provide us with all records and information requested by us within 30 days of our request in order for us to verify that the installation and use of any and all Services and Software is in conformity with your valid licenses. If the verification discloses a shortfall in licenses for the Services or Software, you will immediately acquire any necessary licenses, subscriptions, and applicable back maintenance and support. If the underpaid fees exceed 5% of the value of the payable license fees, then you will also pay for our reasonable cost of conducting the verification.

_2d30• 4 years ago

This is pretty standard for B2B software that is licensed at a user or node level or similar.

sidjor2• 4 years ago

Yes, but no-one does this without evidence. These terms apply even if you use any of their free stuff like acrobat reader. And even when you trial any of their apps.

Not to mention they stopped doing these kind of audits in US per my understanding. In other countries they still seem to be doing them. There is a whole set of firms to help you with these audits.

achow3• 4 years ago

"The big-muscle anti-piracy tactics of Microsoft, Adobe, Autodesk in India"

https://archive.factordaily.com/the-big-muscle-anti-piracy-t...

It is not unique to Adobe.

iudqnolq• 4 years ago

It sounds like it's a real problem, but they picked an aweful case study to highlight.

The guy's 30 employees were repeatedly downloading pirated software, and the lesson he learned after the first audit was to quickly delete the software right before the auditors came. I'm not surprised the industry group passed his name around as someone who might plausibly have pirated other company's software.

psnehanshu• 4 years ago

In my understanding, businesses, in theory should never use unlicensed proprietary software. If they want to cut costs, they should use free software. There are almost always free alternatives, which may or may not lack features available in their paid alternatives. If they badly want those software, they should try to increase their revenue using free software and then switch to paid.

funstuff007• 4 years ago

Audit clauses vary greatly in their ability to enforce. It basically comes down to the ability of each side to push back. Obviously, the more dollars at stake the harder the vendor will push to actually audit. And the easier it easier to replace the vendor the harder the customer will push back.

As far as audit clauses go, I always try to stipulate that the audit is conducted by employees of the client or vendor. I don't want any outside consultants snooping around my IP.

esprehn• 4 years ago

"Figma will be forever free for students and educators."

Curious to see if they honor that, and for how long. Adobe products are heavily discounted but not free for students or educators.

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