What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2021/12/02/what-does-israel-fear-from-this-terrorist/

by ciconia • 4 years ago

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ciconia• 4 years ago

fffobar3• 4 years ago

The most fascinating fact about the state of Israel is that it is in an on-again-off-again state of war for something like the last 4000 years. I cannot fathom how is it possible for neither sides to win, especially the broadly speaking Arab side. Now with the nuclear arsenal and the very competent military they'll most likely survive at least till the first nuclear war, whenever that happens.

aa-jv• 4 years ago

The goal is not to win. The goal is to extract immense profit from the products of war.

assbuttbuttass• 4 years ago

Not sure what you mean, "the state of Israel" was created in 1948, it's less than 80 years old

fffobar3• 4 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

hpcjoe12• 4 years ago

The modern state of Israel declared its independence in 1948 (and was immediately attacked by all of its neighbors, something which re-occurred multiple times). The ancient "state" of Israel has been in that land for north of 3000 years. As archaeological evidence continues to demonstrate.

ethotool7• 4 years ago

Palestinians lived there for over 2000 years. Mainly Muslims and Christians but also a small percentage of Palestinian Jews (1%). It wasn’t until Zionisim and the movement that was first founded before WWI who conspired with the British to illegally take over Palestinian lands and expel over 750,000 refugees to neighboring countries.

hpcjoe12• 4 years ago

Source for the historical "facts" ? I'd love to read up on this.

The 750k refugees "expelled" (overwhelming historical documentary evidence exists of the vast majority leaving as a result of their leaders telling them to leave so they could kill the jews, and then let them come back) seems to omit the 850k (again historically well documented) jews expelled from arab lands post 1948.

Simple google searches will provide sources to the historical material I referenced.

tom-thistime• 4 years ago

What nation is not in an on-again-off-again state of war throughout its existence? I think that may be the rule, not the exception.

fffobar3• 4 years ago

Fair point. I guess the difference is the lack of strategic alliances throughout the history with anyone in the area. There were tactical alliances, even with Iran somewhat recently (Operation Opera), but nothing long lasting and "solid". In other words, the environment has always been pretty hostile.

ethotool7• 4 years ago

IMO when all is said and done the human rights abuses against the Palestinians will go down as one of the worst in history.

achenet2• 4 years ago

disagree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide

ethotool7• 4 years ago

Palestinians are still suffering today as we speak. Why don’t you show me human rights abuses that have been happening for 80 years and are still ongoing?

littlestymaar• 4 years ago

As terrible as they are, the abuses against Palestinian are tragically banal, it's just men performing yet another ethnic cleansing of one land they consider their own, and not even by the “worse” methods (deprivation of rights, and deportation, which are arguably less bad than straight massacres).

jacooper3• 4 years ago

The entire state is built on illegality and thugs.

Israel is an illegal occupation started by the British government, that turned into an Apartheid occupation later on.

They still want the world to believe they are Democratic, while they lack a single thing of a real democracy.

Their propaganda machine is what kept it alive.

They turned antisemitism to basically being anti-israel and anti-occupation, pretending to be a democracy while occupying a land they have no right to.

The affect of Israeli propaganda is super clear when comparing the coverage of the Russian occupation in Ukraine, and the Zionist occupation in Palestine.

But luckily their propaganda is getting defeated left, right and center, because the truth is finally available to the masses because of social media (which themselves try to censor Palestinians).

And they are killing journalists covering the truth(1) and innocent childern(2).

Its an illegal apartheid occupation that will end, its just a matter of time, just like what happened in south Africa.

1. https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1560172508426522624

2. https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1558094704645787652

treeman79• 4 years ago

Well Europe has just finished killing six million Jews. The entire region wants to kill them all.

By all means let’s blame the victims for defending themselves.

tarakat4• 4 years ago

"Europe"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't more than half of Europe fight, kill, and die to stop the dictator that was killing Jews? But you'd rather the whole continent feels guilty, instead of proud of their sacrifices?

zen_13• 4 years ago

Defending themselves from a genocide in Europe by ethnically cleansing Palestinians? You have a curious way of defining defense.

jacooper3• 4 years ago

And what do Palestinians have to do with that?

Jews came as refugees to Palestine in 1940s, and they were welcomed, just like how Christians and Muslims live in peace in Palestine.

Its an extremely important land for all ibrahimic religions.

But you don't come as a refuge, then turn as an occupation because "oh they did it to me so I need to do it to you so I can be safe!!!"

dang4• 4 years ago

Please don't use HN for political/ideological/national/racial/religious battle. It leads to hellish flamewars. We don't want those here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang4• 4 years ago

Please don't use HN for political/ideological/national/racial/religious battle. It leads to hellish flamewars. We don't want those here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

tarakat4• 4 years ago

Given the significant financial and military aid the US provides Israel, this video illustrates who a US voter can pick if they are concerned about Israeli human rights violations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KY2_qaROFY

What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)

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