The Upcoming Crash Of Apple And Amazon

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by kitsune_ • 15 years ago

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romey• 15 years ago

Does Amazon make no money from AWS and their other ventures, like the Kindle? It seems hard to believe that possible tax reformations could kill such a huge company.

allwein2• 15 years ago

The way he's throwing the numbers around, he almost seems to be implying that Apple would have to pay the 6% sales tax out of pocket, thus reducing their 3% profit to a -3% loss.

Even if Amazon collected sales tax, their base prices are often cheaper than the local prices here, so I'd still order from them.

nextparadigms• 15 years ago

This guy is either genius or insane. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

The Touchpad pricing eroding the price perception for all tablets, including the iPad, does sound like a bit of common sense, though.

mistermustard• 15 years ago

Hardly anyone can sell a tablet at the iPad's price point and turn a profit at all. Does lowering that price point make the tablet market even more attractive?

IanDrake• 15 years ago

>you need to show how Amazon loses that 6% price advantage against a 3% operating margin and survives

This assumes that people only shop at Amazon (or online) because it's cheaper. Not so. It's more convenient.

Last winter when we got blasted with snow in N.E. there were no snow blowers to be had within a two hour drive. I bought one off Amazon with next day shipping (for an extra $5, I'm a Prime member).

We have Amazon boxes arriving at my house every week. Paying sales tax isn't going to slow that down.

dave16192• 15 years ago

That's true. I buy tons of Amazon stuff. Sometimes because it's cheaper. But most of the time because it's more convenient (even when it's more expensive). I factor in wasted time/gas/energy to go to the store and Amazon wins out almost all the time.

allwein2• 15 years ago

Exactly. I think the only thing I buy from Amazon based purely on the sales tax benefit is video games, which are the same price both online and off. Everything else is because of convenience and selection.

dave16192• 15 years ago

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Apple products have proven to be appealing even through the Great Recession. More people will buy iPhones and iPads. Amazon has an infrastructure no one comes close to with online ordering, inventory and delivery. People trust Amazon and it's just growing.

smackfu• 15 years ago

Thoughts on the Amazon part:

1) Amazon has 55% North American net sales and 45% international. Amazon pays taxes on all of the international sales, and the Canadian portion of the North American sales.

2) Amazon collects taxes in 5 U.S. states today: KS, KY, ND, NY and WA. That's about 11% of the population. Another 3% of the population lives in states with no sales tax anyways.

3) Amazon currently charges 40% below list price on the bestselling media. Would charging 35% below list chase people away?

rayiner• 15 years ago

This guy is a kook. Yeah yeah, ad hominem, etc.

The Upcoming Crash Of Apple And Amazon

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