Joe Rogan episodes disappeared from Spotify today

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1489759309286326273

by janandonly • 4 years ago

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janandonly2• 4 years ago

It is interesting that this hooks into the discussion in the comment section earlier this week, about how podcasts would need to be more decentralised, self hosted and directly payed for (instead of sponsored).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30191126

libertine6• 4 years ago

I wonder if it's podcasts that need to be more decentralized, or if any platform that distributes and monetizes free content (like FTA TV in the good ol'days) needs some dedicated code of conduct they must abide by - because at the moment it looks like it's a cluster fuck.

Like if they're not up to standard, then they must have a paywall.

I'm not blaming JRE here, Joe Rogan has an entertainment show and people are free to watch it - or not.

I'm blaming Spotify, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, etc, that try to paddle their own view of the world by removing content at will. So if they want to have that approach, go for it, but they must be pay walled.

Idk, was just a random thought I had because I'm bored of the whole decentralization subject simply because some corporations abuse their power position built on free distribution of content.

im3w1l• 4 years ago

Spotify doesn't want to peddle a world view. They are themselves under pressure. Goes to show that if there is a centralized system, then even with the best intentions it leads to repression. They are too dangerous to exist.

threeseed• 4 years ago

The problems with comments like this is that you assume that your right to be exposed to objectionable content usurps the rights of people who don’t and the company itself. Even though people like you are an insignificant minority.

Spotify is not abusing anything. They are simply exercising their freedom to choose what content they want to host and be liable for.

hcnews3• 4 years ago

1. Content published on Internet sites like spotify, youtube get millions of viewers within a matter of hours.

2. Many humans aren't smart enough to critically think about all topics. This wasn't a problem in pre-internet era since the radius of influence was quite limited.

3. So, it makes sense for some kind of checks and balances to exist unless ofcourse we want the society to crumble under the idea of pure free speech.

4. As a member of the society, I would want experts to exist who are competent and want to help the people. Similarly I would want people to listen to the experts on their matters of expertise rather than a celebrity who has no incentive to help people.

5. Usually this isn't a problem in a society where people aren't antagonistic but US in this case has a very bad recent history.

Note that most countries in the world support sensible speech (i.e. free speech minus hate+mass disinformation speech).

PS: This is most likely the minority view on HN but hey not all of us are US citizens bred through 100s of years of 2-sided fights.

jasode• 4 years ago

, about how podcasts would need to be more decentralised, self hosted and directly payed for (instead of sponsored).

That proposal isn't appealing to someone like JRE because he can't get $100 million per year from decentralized self-hosted podcasts with your suggestion of Bitcoin micropayments. He's mostly mainstream with a few controversial topics. This (mostly acceptable) mix allows him to be on a popular platform like Spotify with the commensurate multi-million dollar contract.

Your decentralized podcast distribution would be more attractive (or simply a last resort) for people who are mostly controversial and de-platformed like Milo Yiannopoulos and Alex Jones.

The above analysis is about comparing strategies & tradeoffs of well-known personalities who are trying to reach big audiences. It's not relevant to other types of podcasters who may prioritize decentralized ideology over audience numbers or lucrative contracts.

sigmaprimus4• 4 years ago

I wonder if JRE really cares about the money anymore, he has been earning a lot of money for a long time. Chances are his investments are earning him more than the podcast these days and it may be that the ability to reach so many more people with his message through Spotify outweighs the monetary incentive. However I would also not be surprised if some of his capital is in fact invested in Spotify.

Also the 100 Million deal from Spotify was for 3 years, not that it makes much difference but he was earning 20 million per year using other outlets before signing the exclusive deal with Spotify.

sigmaprimus4• 4 years ago

How far down the thread are the comments regarding this? TL;DR as there are 249+ Comments and top ones were about ratings and reviews of books and podcasts being corrupted.

There are plenty of places Podcasts are hosted that are decentralized, maybe this is a rightwing phenom as after the great purge of 2020 many rightwing media creators saw the writing on the wall and found new outlets for their products.

I find that almost every podcast is available from multiple hosting sites now as many podcasters learned a hard lesson when the oligarchs running the major sites colluded to influence the US election by blocking and banning in an effort(successful) to kill the Hunter Biden story among others.

seesawtron3• 4 years ago

Good.

ThunderSizzle• 4 years ago

Go censorship! Hooray!

codeivore5• 4 years ago

Spotify taking Rogan's stuff down is not an example of censorship, since they are a private enterprise and retain the right to decide what content they publish.

It would be censorship if the FCC (or similar Swedish org) told Spotify they had to take it down.

Rogan is free to go publish his bullshit elsewhere.

austincheney• 4 years ago

In this case it’s censorship either way. A few artists are self-censoring at great expense to distance themselves from the Rogan podcasts. I suspect Spotify is concerned with the bad press and the potential for increased self-censorship, which will drive users to other platforms.

seventytwo• 4 years ago

Censorship…

Libel, fraud, slander, lying under oath, dissemination of child porn and state secrets, swearing on television, verbal threats, and more are all government-sanctioned censorship. Corporate censorship is routine, with NDAs, employment agreements, policy, and other contractual agreements. Censorship in the home is also normal and routine, as parents dictate what is allowable. Society also applies pressure oneself in particular situation: don’t talk in the movie theatre, don’t be obnoxious at a funeral, don’t interrupt people, etc.

Why is it so hard for people to imagine that a company might not want to be associated with a particular political ideology?

Guessnotgauss• 4 years ago

This is America wheres my freedom to believe in lies and falsehoods that harm other people?

Wheres my freedom to endorse hateful people and give them a platform spout lies?

verdverm2• 4 years ago

You might note that none where the episodes people are upset over in the first place.

sigmaprimus4• 4 years ago

I think Russell Brand covers this subject the best:

https://youtu.be/DtUJpWYtGWM

ufo• 4 years ago

For what it's worth: the most recent episode shown in that picture is from 2018, before the pandemic.

seesawtron3• 4 years ago

Here's a point-by-point critique for those interested in the controversial podcast.

https://twitter.com/grahamwalker/status/1489429245520580608

ellinokon2• 4 years ago

Given the list of newly missing episodes, this looks more like comedians escaping association than Spotify removing anything they don't want on the platform.

verdverm2• 4 years ago

I'm wondering what the common thread between them was, Tim Dillion loves the controversy and only a few of his appearances have been removed, butost remain. Several Brian Redban and Mike Mallace but not all

ellinokon2• 4 years ago

Yeh, I didn't notice before I commented that only some of these peoples appearances were removed. Definitely points to some content moderation then, imo.

smaryjerry• 4 years ago

The fact that we have to discuss what was said in those episodes without being able to access those episodes shows exactly why this is a problem.

jivetolkien• 4 years ago

Gif of green shirt dude laughing his ass off

janandonly2• 4 years ago

A full and updated list can be found here: https://www.jremissing.com/

Joe Rogan episodes disappeared from Spotify today

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