Trio of Rust Core Team members hit the road

https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/01/rust_core_team_departures/

by walterbell • 4 years ago

83 36 4 years ago

gostsamo• 4 years ago

Steve Klabnik is an HN regular and I always enjoy his participation on rust posts. I hope that he will continue to enrich the community.

davidkunz2• 4 years ago

Fully agree, his posts are insightful, clear and precise, I hope he remains involved in the community.

runnerup• 4 years ago

Something about Steve Klabnik's communications always carried a lot of weight for me and lent a great deal of credence to Rust as a whole.

capableweb2• 4 years ago

This seems to be relatively drama-free, compared to the last departure (off the entire moderation team https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29306845), or they've learned there lesson that it's better to not say anything drama-inducing if they won't give the full story.

Speaking about that, anyone know why the moderation team left by now? Has anything became public at this point or it's still anyones guess? There was some indication that some core member broke the Code of Conduct but was never "punished" for it, could this be the consequence that we're seeing after ~2 months?

lijogdfljk3• 4 years ago

Florian is commenting on the reddit post[1]. Sounds very drama free for them (the singular them.. not the plural... sigh).

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/sh7erp/changes_in_the...

melissalobos• 4 years ago

Sounds very drama free for them (the singular them.. not the plural... sigh).

I don't quite understand this line, would you prefer they identify as multiple people? Or is the objection to using the singular them in general? There is a large historic precedent for using a singular them for people you for whom you are unfamiliar with their gender. Not even trying to be "woke" but if there was someone named Terry(about equal likelihood of being male or female), it makes a lot of sense to use "them"/"they" instead of "he" or "she".

Edit: did you mean that for the other members it wasn't drama free?

davidkunz2• 4 years ago

It's "free for him" according to https://foundation.rust-lang.org/posts/2021-04-08-introducin...

Communitivity• 4 years ago

We in the Rust community owe all three of them a great deal for their many contributions of software and community involvement. I owe Steve Klabnik for turning me onto Rust in 2017 with his blog post "Five Years with Rust"[1]. Five years later he is heading into a new chapter of his life with Rust. Here's to another five years of Rust evangelism and activity.

[1] https://steveklabnik.com/writing/five-years-with-rust

_han• 4 years ago

See also yesterday's discussion about the original blog post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30151923

Shadonototra• 4 years ago

something very nasty must have happened for moderation team then core people to leave like that..

also it is very sketchy that some people here want to hide/minimize the story as much as possible

i remember everyone was being VERY VOCAL about the .net foundation "drama"

you can see how pro-mozilla this website is in general, very sad for journalism and internet in general

staticassertion• 4 years ago

also it is very sketchy that some people here want to hide/minimize the story as much as possible

a) I don't think anyone expected people to stay with Rust for a decade or more

b) I don't care about Rust governance that much

c) I don't care about the .net foundation or even know wtf you're talking about

I assume most people are a lot like me with regards to the above. I've been using rust since 2014, I've met many people across these teams, spoken at and attended conferences.

None of this just feels like something I should worry about. If it were 2015, yeah, I'd be worrying. It's 2022, Rust has grown beyond the tiny group of people who had to shepherd it.

They did a wonderful job - that's why I'm not worried. They succeeded in bringing Rust to mainstream, where now there are so, so many people invested in it.

Xevi• 4 years ago

In which way does this news relate to Mozilla?

floxy2• 4 years ago

What do the core team members do? I mean in more detail than:

"Managing the overall direction of Rust, sub-team leadership, and any cross-cutting issues"

...as found at: https://www.rust-lang.org/governance/teams/core

Do they have regular meetings? If so, are there notes/minutes/video published from these meetings? Is there a list of edicts that the core team has decided on? Is the core team a voluntary or paid position? Who decides the core team membership? Who decides how many core team members there should be? Does the core team make tactical decisions (like Rust 1.7 shall have support for architecture X)? Is there a document from the core team outlining the current "overall direction of Rust"? Do they control what appears on the rust-lang.org domain? Do they control any funding that might be distributed to the other teams? Is there a potential better name for the core team? Executive team? Strategy team? Many people seem to believe that the core team members are working on rustc, but I don't think that is accurate.

capableweb2• 4 years ago

You can implicitly figure out what the core team does by going to https://www.rust-lang.org/governance and seeing what team does what.

Otherwise, a good way to understand how Rust governance is happening is by reading the various RFCs, I think this one is the most relevant one for you: https://rust-lang.github.io/rfcs/1068-rust-governance.html, specifically the "Core team" section: https://rust-lang.github.io/rfcs/1068-rust-governance.html#c...

floxy2• 4 years ago

Thanks, that is interesting. Does anyone know where the charters for the teams are located? This is called out in 2021-Roadmap:

https://rust-lang.github.io/rfcs/3037-roadmap-2021.html

...I'm not seeing the 2022 Roadmap, is that still in the works?

mjw1007• 4 years ago

They certainly used to have regular meetings. https://www.youtube.com/c/RustVideos/search?query=core%20tea... shows meetings up to 2020-09, though I don't see any since.

(That's about the time of the big Mozilla layoffs, so maybe the person who used to upload the videos moved on then.)

digitalsanctum• 4 years ago

What struck me is there were no replacements named or even hinted at. Anyone know what the plan is moving forward?

estebank• 4 years ago

Three people joined and one left the Core team in the second half of last year.

https://blog.rust-lang.org/2021/09/27/Core-team-membership-u...

stblack• 4 years ago

Given the title and vibe of the article, could its closing sentence be worse?

"Founding members of the Rust Foundation (kicked off in 2021) include Microsoft, Google and AWS."

How hard can it be to craft a clear, clean closing sentence?

istjohn2• 4 years ago

News articles are not typically written like formulaic school essays where you state a thesis, support the thesis, and then conclude. They are instead written as if the reader could be whisked away at any moment and so the most important information must be front and center. Less relevant asides get tacked on the end. It's written to be read by busy people, in other words. Which is actually pretty cool.

andrewflnr• 4 years ago

In my experience, really dang hard. In high school I agonized for hours about concluding sentences. I've gotten slightly more skilled, but I mostly solved the problem by lowering my standards.

YATA02• 4 years ago

Don't forget that Ashely Williams, one of Rust's Core team members, is cartoonishly sexist and racist: https://archive.md/VEtHu

The Rust reddit moderation team actively removes any and all "negative" comments about her.

u-r-dumb• 4 years ago

Lol how did I know this "sexism and racism" was about white men before even clicking

YATA02• 4 years ago

Lol how did I know this "sexism and racism" was about white men before even clicking

Because we've all become accustomed to expect it from SJWs like herself. You're only making my point for me.

Just calling blatant racism and sexism out was enough for you to make a throwaway and post a reply to my factual comment. Out of the woodwork comes the triggered snowflakes. Sad.

lol_u_cuck• 4 years ago

How do I know you showed your partner's boyfriend this post, seeking his approval

"Heh I sure showed that chud! Hope he thinks next time about posting uncomfortable facts online!"

Trio of Rust Core Team members hit the road

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