Cloud Native Interactive Landscape

https://landscape.cncf.io/

by michidk • 5 years ago

69 24 5 years ago

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felixgallo• 5 years ago

Good to see that Kubernetes has simplified software development.

It's interesting that you never saw something like this (landscape/hellscape) with OpenStack. I think it really drives home that Kubernetes isn't a platform in the same way, you use it to build a platform.

nyellin• 5 years ago

I'm founder of a startup in the space (robusta.dev) and in my opinion Kubernetes standardizes and formalizes the complexity not creates it.

If you want to develop a cross cloud app with autoscaling, self healing, health checks, service discovery, network policies, etc then you're going to have complexity. The question is whether you want to invent it yourself or use a platform like k8s

caniszczyk3• 5 years ago

Nice to always see this on HN... we have more landscapes out there too :)

https://landscapes.dev

There are also two sub landscapes in the CNCF landscape in case you're interested:

https://landscape.cncf.io/serverless https://landscape.cncf.io/wasm (still in beta)

There's also a secret feature that shows who is raising funding etc in the space: https://landscape.cncf.io/funding.html

Anyways, I know people like to hate on the cloud native landscape but the reality of the situation is that there is a large healthy competitive ecosystem out there and a lot of options.

j_french• 5 years ago

what are people's main gripes with the cloud native landscape?

caniszczyk3• 5 years ago

complex, too much content/options for end users to decipher... e.g., "hellscape"

mrweasel• 5 years ago

At best it's pointless. Everything is apparently cloud native, so why even bother?

At its worst the cloud native landscape is complexity nightmare. Why are there 12 API gateways? Are they all equally good? They certain don't do the same, well mostly they do, have fun figurering out which one to use. Almost none of the product are named all that well, so that's no help.

Right now the cloud native landscape is just a collection of pretty icons that look kinda cool. It doesn't really mean anything. Best I can tell: Graduated doesn't even mean that you're guaranteed that these product will work together... They might.

I get that others look at the cloud native landscape and see endless possibilities, a smorgasbord of options, and that's wonderful. I just see complexity, confusing, and shameless self-promotion in an attempt to ride the Kubernetes/container wave and make a name for yourself and maybe a few bucks.

Don't get me wrong, many of these tools are fantastic, but that some people can look at that massive graphic and think that the industry is moving in the right direction it troubling. Half of these product are dead-ends. We just don't know which yet. The room for mistakes are enormous and some poor soul will pick the wrong API gateway and be stuck with it for the next ten years.

qbasic_forever• 5 years ago

How do you measure or understand the end user usability of these landscapes?

Because I actually like the content in them but am just totally baffled and annoyed at trying to use it. A text table I could slice and dice with a few dimensions would be infinitely more usable.

fudged71• 5 years ago

These landscape diagrams are fantastic, available in multiple formats, open source, and look great. I wish every market landscape was formatted the same way. Any plans to make a "landscape generator" tool of some sort available for non-coders?

stillicidious• 5 years ago

I built out my first ISP in 2001, worked in FAANG by 2006, haven't the slightest comprehension of what this is for. Is it some kind of certified partner directory?

mfer• 5 years ago

This is a list of "things" in the cloud native space. Some of them are from CNCF members and some aren't. Some are paid products and services while other things are entirely free and open source.

Many (most?) of the things are tied to organizations and they try to show information on those organizations.

The CNCF doesn't have certified partners. It is a sub-foundation of the Linux Foundation and a non-profit. The CNCF does have members. Some of them are vendors and some are end users. Things listed in the landscape don't need to be from a member.

caniszczyk3• 5 years ago

There are certified Kubernetes products/projects listed on the landscape: https://www.cncf.io/certification/software-conformance/

FYI it's also an open source project that others can use and build upon! https://github.com/cncf/landscapeapp

ejb999• 5 years ago

thought it just me! - cool looking graphic, but couldn't make heads or tails out of what I would use it for.

bushbaba• 5 years ago

Both Oracle and IBM DB2 are in this diagram as being "Cloud Native" databases. Not sure I agree with that statement.

ghaff• 5 years ago

You can reasonably argue about what should be included but I have a feeling if you started trying to draw a line about what databases are properly "cloud native" and which aren't, you probably end up making a lot of somewhat arbitrary calls.

I'm not sure I disagree with you but I also understand why they might be there.

nickstinemates• 5 years ago

You can bet both paid good money to be listed there.

mistrial9• 5 years ago

linux foundation model -- money talks

RcouF1uZ4gsC• 5 years ago

It seems like Kubernetes has reinvented JCL from the IBM Mainframe

From the Wikipedia pager for JCL:

"Job Control Language (JCL) is a name for scripting languages used on IBM mainframe operating systems to instruct the system on how to run a batch job or start a subsystem.[1]

More specifically, the purpose of JCL is to say which programs to run, using which files or devices [2] for input or output, and at times to also indicate under what conditions to skip a step."

debarshri• 5 years ago

Once upon a time, the landscape in hadoop and bigdata had something like this. Projects, companies and startups with weird animal names. I miss those days where you couldn't tell a difference it was name of a bigdata project or pokemon.

dijit• 5 years ago

There’s another one of these dashboards linked which specifies JIRA as the only change management issue tracker.

That’s scary.

Seems like this isn’t really saying anything. But maybe useful to find things to look at further?

danw1979• 5 years ago

I thought the greyed out boxes were some of startups that inevitably didn’t make it and have now gone out of business, but IBM is in there so…

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