A Visual Introduction to Chef

http://www.mynameiskate.com/blog/2011/09/09/a-visual-introduction-to-chef/

by abscondment • 15 years ago

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jsdalton• 15 years ago

What's the current sentiment on Chef vs. Puppet these days?

themgt• 15 years ago

They're both straightjackets. Chef is easier to cut your way out of and then use as a normal jacket

cparedes• 15 years ago

Obvious troll is obvious.

As I've said in the past, the consensus is simply "use a CM system," especially if you have to maintain these machines for a while (or if you have 50+ machines to take care of.) It's much better than dealing with various shell scripts or whatever else.

gchpaco• 15 years ago

Chef is a nice idea written by people who don't understand Unix. (evidence? check out popen in their source, try to figure out why subprocesses occasionally get SIGPIPE, and then grep to see where it's used and count the file handle leaks. I've had to reimplement that six or seven times and theirs was the one with the most subtle errors. Yes, I'll submit a patch when I have time, which at the current rate the day job is pushing me will happen shortly before hell freezes over) I like the design but the implementation scares me.

Puppet is the more mature technology of the two, but (so I'm told) there's an important limitation in that there is no way to automatically e.g. reload the web server if its config file changes. Both these systems have some issues with information flowing in only one direction.

omarqureshi• 15 years ago

For puppet, so long as the service that you have has a stop and start setting (i've not come across one that doesn't) and you've told the service to subscribe to a file for changes - then it should automatically do a stop+start at the very least.

kennu• 15 years ago

In Puppet you can specify dependencies between Services and Files, so that a service is automatically restarted when a file changes.

The only trick is that Puppet must be aware of the file change. This happens automatically when the file is modified by Puppet. But if it's modified externally by a shell script or a git pull, you need to have Puppet copy that file to another "dummy" file, so it can detect that it changed from the previous version and trigger the restart.

What a "service restart" means can also be configured if you want a SIGHUP or something else. The default is the equivalent of "/etc/init.d/nginx restart".

Pewpewarrows• 15 years ago

Chef seems to be gaining much more traction, at least from my memory of blog posts, tweets, conference talks, and comments in the past 6-8 months. Completely unscientific, but take from it what you will.

technomancy• 15 years ago

Puppet has invented a new language with its own syntax.

Chef has invented a new object system and execution model within Ruby.

Neither's approach is particularly good in this respect, but the latter is less onerous.

Woost• 15 years ago

I recently (past couple of months) had to look at chef vs puppet. I went with Chef, since it seemed easier to setup, and I liked the methodology behind it better. That said, there are a few issues around its choice of dependencies (solr, how I hate you).

Basically, I liked how chef treated the terminals as "dumb" and the configuration could be stored in source control. All of my nodes/"cookbooks"/recipes/users/data bags are stored in version control, with a few simple shell scripts to batch load the data. Also, chef nodes ping back to the server, which could cause problems (if you had tens of thousands of nodes hitting frequently), but also solves issues like "what if a server is offline when an important update should be pushed"

I believe that puppet has far more tools for seeing what's going on with your servers, when they last updated, that kind of thing. Also, the recipes/cookbooks you can get from the chef repository can be a little hit and miss (I had to heavily modify a few to make them work in my environment)

mkent2• 15 years ago

Puppet also supports a 'dry run' mode to give you an idea of what changes would have been applied during a run - something Chef is lacking and definitely makes installing Chef on an already functioning machine a very scary proposition.

The built in reporting in Chef isn't very useful and the web ui is pretty light, but there's at least hooks and examples on how to extend it to meet your requirements.

Most of the Chef development so far appears to have been focused on core features and most recently a simplified installer - hopefully reporting will become a focus as the product matures.

arckiearc• 15 years ago

Once you get rolling with Chef or Puppet, updating your servers feels great - no need to manually fiddle with shell scripts, or wonder "have I installed that package on all my machines?"

Getting to that point can take quite a bit of effort though. In my most recent attempt to install a Chef server on a fresh Ubuntu box, I quit the installation halfway through as I realised I wanted to change some of the values I'd entered into the setup script. After re-running the script I encountered errors, and all my attempts at scrubbing the aborted installation failed. It was easier to just start with a fresh image. I had these sorts of experiences all the time when using Chef and Puppet, they were really frustrating to setup.

I felt more comfortable writing my scripts in Chef because it didn't limit my ability to use Ruby, and the more relaxed approach to handling dependencies suited me. Puppet was easier to setup, had better documentation, and behaved more reliably for me. Neither seems like a clear winner, but I haven't spent a lot of time with them in about a year now, so things may have changed!

peterwwillis• 15 years ago

I would like to read this, but unfortunately there's a database involved in serving the pages. Remember, kids: text and images were served happily on the 'net long before MySQL existed.

fdb• 15 years ago

You can just take a look at the diagram, which is hosted at Gliffy: http://www.gliffy.com/publish/2886461/

vegardx• 15 years ago

Superb! I've recently started with Chef and the learning curve is very high, especially if you're like me and haven't touched Ruby before.

mattdeboard• 15 years ago

Ditto, but I switched to learning Puppet tonight and I find it much easier to pick up.

mkent2• 15 years ago

Puppet is definitely easier to start with but any ruby you pickup in learning Chef is useful in more general sense, while time spent on the puppet dsl is only good for using puppet.

patrickgzill2• 15 years ago

What is the difference between capistrano, Chef, and Puppet?

abscondment• 15 years ago

High level:

Capistrano is a tool for deploying your applications. You use it to push out new versions of your own codebase.

Chef and Puppet are tools for provisioning/configuring servers. You use it to install the right third-party libraries, programs, config files, etc.

patrickgzill2• 15 years ago

I will have to look at it more. I have found "using capistrano for system administration" articles however.

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