Tesla aims to launch Full Self-Driving Computer 2 with Cybertruck next year

https://electrek.co/2021/08/20/tesla-aims-launch-full-self-driving-computer-2-cybertruck-next-year/

by fortran77 • 5 years ago

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SevenSigs4• 5 years ago

The third computer upgrade since they claimed that the hardware was ready for full-self driving. And full self-driving is still nowhere to be found.

jeffbee• 5 years ago

If they launch fsd hardware 2 it is the tombstone of fsd hardware 1. People who own the older hardware will never get fsd. The other people won’t get it either, but the original owners definitely won’t.

sidibe2• 5 years ago

Someone asked about this at the AI day. There won't be ugrades, Musk said that HW1 will be full self driving, just not as good at it as HW2 same way not everyone is equally good at driving.

zarkov99• 5 years ago

It never ceases to surprise me how the most innovative company in the auto industry, maybe in the world, the only company actually attempting to move the needle is so despised in HN. Is it not obvious that when attempting to do what no one, ever, has been able to do, timelines and predictions are hard to nail down? Is it not better for Musk to be overly optimistic than join the legions of miserable cynics that cannot do anything but whine and at best repackage the works of better people?

malcolmgreaves2• 5 years ago

They're despised because they're liars. They're not trying to move the needle. They're selling a PR image of moving the needle.

sidibe2• 5 years ago

the only company actually attempting to move the needle is so despised in HN

This adulation certainly contributes. Just because other companies aren't constantly talking about or hawking their half-baked things doesn't mean they're not doing research. There are some companies spending more on research than Tesla's entire budget, but some of you seem to think Tesla is the only one trying new things because their CEO has to organize an event and riff about anything that comes to mind while pretending it's almost done. It honestly makes me sad that so many people fall for this.

jazzyjackson5• 5 years ago

I’m just totally disinterested in anyone moving the needle on autonomous vehicles. To me they represent little but surveillance and dependence on software updates.

If you ever saw the animated film “Appleseed Ex Machina” you might be more sympathetic to my position. Or I, Robot for that matter. I just don’t need a million cars doing whatever the next software update tells them, it’s not worth it for a little line following bot.

rchaud• 5 years ago

Timelines are hard to nail down. So why does Tesla's leadership keep announcing targets that are repeatedly missed? Especially as "self-driving" was supposed to be ready by 2018.

Meanwhile, it's 2021, and the CEO is saying "it's harder than I thought", while again promising that you can put your safety in the hands of a beta software "soon".

"Haha, FSD 9 beta is shipping soon, I swear! Generalized self-driving is a hard problem, as it requires solving a large part of real-world AI. I didn’t expect it to be so hard, but the difficulty is obvious in retrospect. Nothing has more degrees of freedom than reality." [0]

[0] https://electrek.co/2021/07/05/elon-musk-admits-self-driving...

tibbydudeza3• 5 years ago

Marketing hype and optimistic BS get's tired after a while.

It would have been better he raised funding behind the scenes and continued build good electric cars and keeping FSD as a skunkworks until it was ready.

Like Waymo - show of the tech but say it is not ready yet.

kken• 5 years ago

So they think there is less danger to the occupants when introducing FSD to Cybertruck first?

ben_w• 5 years ago

I don’t see how to reach anything on the same axis as that conclusion from the article, can you elaborate?

jazzyjackson5• 5 years ago

I know when I want to protect the public I build 8,000 pound trucks that can do 0-60 in 4 seconds by remote control

michelb• 5 years ago

At this point FSD is just a marketing term for Tesla right? They don’t have a working FSD system yet.

andyxor• 5 years ago

it's going to be ready by the end of next year, next year

snowwindwaves• 5 years ago

I'm looking to sell my f150 in to these high used car prices and get an electric pickup for hauling my snowmobile. Self driving doesn't interest me at all. Cyber truck delivery is mid 2022. Hopefully it is cheaper than the long range f150 lightning.

theluketaylor4• 5 years ago

Announced cybertruck prices were always highly predicated on huge battery manufacturing improvements (we now know as 4680 cells). There have been plenty of rumours Tesla is having trouble ramping up production volume and yields since they have admitted the refreshed Y might not get them right away, so if cybertruck does ship in mid 2022 it's likely to be a much more model 3 launch trickling out than Y where they could ramp up very fast.

That's ignoring all the basic issues with the cybertruck design. Tesla doesn't have EU pedestrian regulations to contend with (something cybertruck's basic shape likely cannot ever meet), but they still have a bunch of NHTSA stuff that isn't going to be easy with the weird choices they made. I suspect the production cybertruck won't be quite as extreme as what they showed.

I really like my model 3, but I treat any statement by Tesla as a complete fabrication until it's in the metal off a production line.

On the other hand, I'd be shocked if Ford doesn't deliver exactly what they announced for the prices they predicted. If I was looking to buy an EV truck right now I'd put my money on F-150 Lightning.

jazzyjackson5• 5 years ago

Plus the lightning has that killer frunk- tesla can’t compete on its tailgatability

mchusma• 5 years ago

This matches the AI day extrapolation.

If they are training significantly larger neural nets with dojo, and dojo is not really in production use until next year, it is likely FSD2 will be finalized only after they run some models from dojo.

I think in Elon Speak, they can make a driver safer than humans with the current computer, but FSD2 is needed for "robotaxis".

theluketaylor4• 5 years ago

I really like my model 3 sr+, but the entire wing of tesla that develops and sells "Full Self Driving" needs to be investigated by the FTC for unfair consumer practices, if not downright fraud. The number of times Tesla has revised their timeline, capability claims, and underlying hardware requirements has gone beyond the shifting vagaries of product development into bad faith marketing.

I'm fully aware of what FSD actually is today vs. Tesla's claims, so I didn't give Tesla an extra dime (nor do I use autopilot on my fully capable car since I believe it's a dangerous driver). Not everyone who buys a Tesla and pays for FSD has the benefit of knowing how close to scam it is.

One thing that would help would be making it illegal to sell features largely software driven before they actually exist (or at least make 100% of money spent on such features 100% refundable no questions asked by law). Tesla is raking in cash from people who don't know better plunking down $10,000 for a feature that doesn't exist (and might be 10+ years away) with the threat of it costing more in the future if they don't buy now.

The only way I've been able to reconcile the cognitive dissonance of giving money to a company that nearly defrauded people on some of their upcoming claims is to think of tesla as 2 distinct companies. One company manufactures and sells a very usable everyday electric vehicle and maintains an excellent network of chargers that let me roam the continent at will. The other company is a hype-machine designed to boost the stock price by announcing more and more features and models far beyond the capabilities of the manufacturing company. Right now Tesla has produced 5 different model of car over its lifespan (roadster and S, 3, X, Y for a childish joke). They have 4 announced and un-produced products (roadster, semi, plaid+ [now cancelled], and cybertruck), some of which have been announced for many years now. Does that seem like a sustainable company? Then add in the FSD debacle and accompanying hardware promises and it feels awfully pyramid-schemy. Luckily for the manufacturing company, the value of their factory, charging network and produced engineering is so high if the hype company fails the manufacturing can keep going. What I tell people is the tangible stuff you can buy from tesla is pretty good and there are lots of other excellent EVs from other companies already out and coming soon. If you want a tesla, buy one they currently manufacture and don't give them a penny or a thought for anything 'coming soon'.

al2o3cr• 5 years ago

"aims to launch next year", as in the signs you find at bars that say "FREE BEER... TOMORROW"

bigtex• 5 years ago

1 million robo taxies we’re supposed to be on the road already.

tibbydudeza3• 5 years ago

I heard that before :). New hardware as well - so much for the current customers - pretty sure they will offer a very pricey upgrade path.

yumraj• 5 years ago

Hasn’t it been next year for last several years.

Looks like Elon Musk had invented perpetual moving target. It is always next year, and obviously as such they never miss the target.

DrBenCarson• 5 years ago

I don’t see how this isn’t a class action lawsuit in the making. Tons of Tesla owners have bought “full self driving.” This seems like an admission that Tesla cannot deliver FSD to those customers.

sunstone• 5 years ago

If it's not clear the reason Tesla is so keen on FSD is because they need that for their future robotaxi service which would be big dollars.

To get there they need the data from their current customers. But once they get an approved version of FSD it will be self sustaining for data and Tesla's interest in their customer's FSD will quickly fade away.

calyth2018• 5 years ago

Paging @FSD_in_6m

Tesla aims to launch Full Self-Driving Computer 2 with Cybertruck next year

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