Apple Daily: Hong Kong pro-democracy paper announces closure

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57578926

by doener • 5 years ago

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underscore_ku• 5 years ago

:'(

Proven• 5 years ago

The CCP are the scourge of the Earth

deepserket• 5 years ago

1984

GoToRO• 5 years ago

HK needs to declare independence if they want to preserve their lifestyle.

pwinnski• 5 years ago

I don't think a war they will very quickly lose would preserve their lifestyle. The lifestyle is already gone.

Mediterraneo10• 5 years ago

HK depends on the mainland for water and in fact has for decades, even during the era of British rule. That is one reason independence has simply never been an option.

spacehunt• 5 years ago

HK can easily afford desalination (especially since the mainland water is quite costly), but of course the Chinese occupation won't ever let that happen.

tablespoon• 5 years ago

HK needs to declare independence if they want to preserve their lifestyle.

That would be nice but their government is controlled by lackeys for Beijing; they lack an independent military; and even if they had one, HK is completely militarily indefensible from China.

Taiwan is in much better shape in all of those areas, but still I fear for them. IMHO, they need to be sent far more weapons by the US and they need to pretty much organize their entire military-age population into a well-trained reserve army a-la Israel.

phantomathkg• 5 years ago

I hope this will shatter the dream of anyone who think it is worth while doing business with China.

xbeta2• 5 years ago

I don't even know why would anyone "dream" or "think" they have a chance to do business with CCP after what happened in what they did to Alibaba, etc.

mymanz• 5 years ago

Next is Taiwan https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-could-invade-taiwan...

etempleton• 5 years ago

The CCP is becoming increasingly bold. They have ramped up their rhetoric regarding their One China policy and on their aim of "unifying" Taiwan.If it comes to invasion the US could choose to try and defend Taiwan, but it is perilous and they could only hope to hold off an invasion.

As a trade partner, Taiwan is a valuable ally to the US, but the potential cost of defense is enormous both in economic terms and human life lost. If the US were to intervene it would kick off a World War. The question of US intervention becomes a question of morals versus pragmatism.

Would China stop at Taiwan? If not where would they invade next? Where does the US draw the line? Where would the US have the best chance of making a decisive stand? Taiwan, unfortunately, is not easily defended from China.

yourapostasy• 5 years ago

Would China stop at Taiwan?

Guesses follow. Mainly based upon my suspicion Chinese are falling into the curse of empires. Similar to how a billionaire will ascribe fiscal success to acumen in other fields. But on a national scale. This is extremely atypical of China’s history, but here we are with them rattling a bunch of their regional neighbors.

If they invade Taiwan, they won’t likely stop at Taiwan. But they probably won’t take another bite for a generation or so.

If not where would they invade next?

Either Korea (both) or Japan. India antics are a feint. They’ll opportunistically “regent” Pakistan if a Pakistani collapse falls into their lap. If whatever they attempt after a successful Taiwan invasion is also successful, they’ll want a rematch with Vietnam.

Where does the US draw the line?

From the Alaskan rhetoric, China is indicating they strongly suspect the US won’t ever draw a line as long as China continues to slowly bleed out the US. Doesn’t matter what US will do. China sets the cadence, it matters what China will do.

Where would the US have the best chance of making a decisive stand?

Best time to plant a tree is 30 years ago. Next best time is today.

Taiwan, unfortunately, is not easily defended from China.

With several hundred fusion bombs hypersonically delivered, a ham sandwich is defensible. Taiwan doesn’t need to mount a defense that convinces China that Taiwan will win. Taiwan just needs to convince China that China will lose, too.

tartoran• 5 years ago

RIP Hong Kong

murph-almighty• 5 years ago

Let the HK brain drain begin. If the US were to open their doors a little more to Hong Kong immigration you'd see a lot of those supposed "shortages" in science and tech disappear.

Clearly China has no interest in maintaining Hong Kong as a livable place, so we might as well help out the people who recognize they're tumbling towards an authoritarian hellhole.

chemmail• 5 years ago

This has been known since before the 1997 handover. The smart ones left and are now saying I told you so to everyone who stayed. What left is there to say to those people.

xbeta2• 5 years ago

I realize all of their social media accounts disappear as well - FB, Instagram, YouTube, etc. Honestly I feel so bad for their employees and most HK people.

Apple Daily: Hong Kong pro-democracy paper announces closure

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