Rate/Review my start-up - HearWhere.com

by pedalpete • 18 years ago

31 47 18 years ago

Maro3• 18 years ago

Wow! It actually found events in Budapest. The idea and functional execution are great.

The layout sucks. The positioning of the elements seems accidental. Your logo is pixelated, it looks like something from the CGA days.

The search results box is way too small. That should be the main area. You're probably thinking that the map is cool, but as someone who has written GMaps mashups, I can tell you it's not that cool. You could even get away with not showing it at all, and only popping it up onClick. Yeah, it seems cool to show Budapest when I type "Budapest", but frankly, I know where I live. Also, at this point you're not putting down markers anyway!

So, I'd rethink the layout a little.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

Thanks Maro,

I had the map smaller originally, but the bigger map just seems more engaging. I do put markers on the map after you click on a result. I thought it would be useless to have a bunch of markers on the map first, as you aren't going to decide on a show based on the location, but it's good to see the location after.

Thanks for the input.

shawndrost6• 18 years ago

I like the big map: you've done a good job of building a color scheme that makes it look like part of the design. However, you should put the markers on the map: it's not going to be the basis for the decision about which show I'm going to, but it looks good, and it helps the user, and it doesn't hurt anything.

Maro3• 18 years ago

I meant: you don't show markers after search. (Only after click.) But I think that clicking is rare. Users tend to think that clicking moves them off the page, so they avoid it. In any case, after clicking a result, you only show that one marker right? But then, why is the map so big? It could be much smaller if you're only showing one thing on it, IMO.

dkasper• 18 years ago

I was surprised when I opened up the page and it was showing the map for Bellingham (where I live). I was instantly intrigued to see what was going on because I connected with seeing the familiarity of the map despite the unfamiliarity of the site. I think with a little work on the layout it could be very cool.

babo• 18 years ago

It's far from foolproof, doesn't work for Copenhagen.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

The site works for Copenhagen 1081 shows listed. I assume you mean the geocoding couldn't find you?

If it didn't find you on the first visit, i set a cookie for future visits so you don't have to type the address again.

shawndrost6• 18 years ago

Congratulations! I love the idea of skimming myspace's events so that I don't have to look at their site and use the doubtlessly terrible search function they have.

Cut the adwords and the digg/share widgets. They're not going to get you money or traffic, respectively, and they look trashy.

The list of upcoming shows looks terrible: the left edge doesn't line up with the left edge of the div above it, and the inset scroll doesn't match the rest of the look/feel, and I'm seeing a pixel's worth of one element and it looks like a glitch. This needs a lot of work.

Use a normal dropdown for the 'playing' menu: inconsistent UI elements are bad, and that one would be bad even if it weren't inconsistent.

Populate the map with markers immediately rather than waiting till someone clicks on an artist.

The music player isn't working for me: standard ff3/windows.

Your fonts feel inconsistent: pick a bold typeface for titles/buttons/logo, and a plain typeface for standard text.

Most of what I'm saying is really basic stuff, so honestly, I suspect you're doing something basic wrong. If you've heard it a bunch of times before, you're either being lazy or stubborn. If not, you're not asking for enough feedback from friends, family, at tech meetups, etc.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

That's AWESOME feedback sawndrost. I'm not being lazy, but just haven't been getting that kind of feedback - tech meetups are not de rigueur in my hometown of Whistler BC.

I'm not a huge fan of the look, and i've been tweaking and tweaking it. Even hired a designer, but we conflicted on a bunch of elements and this is what I ended up with.

It's a shame the player isn't working. I haven't heard that yet, and that is the best part - listen so you can discover the artists.

I specifically didn't want to populate the map with markers as it would just be full of markers, and you won't really decide to go to a show based on where it is, rather than who is playing, so I think the site would get just too busy with that.

But I'll definately be working on everything else you mentioned. Kinda makes me wish I could take down this post for now and repost later. ;)

shawndrost6• 18 years ago

"my hometown of Whistler BC" -- ah, okay. You can try for the same effect via irc, try #startups on freenode.net. (http://www.mibbit.com lets you use irc via your browser.) You can also start a tech meetup, it's a lot easier than it looks, and you might be surprised at who shows up. Email local web developers, etc, sniff for interest. It might also be worth your time to take a trip to vancouver when there's something cool happening -- aside from the direct benefits of feedback, etc, it's really motivating.

shawndrost6• 18 years ago

"it would just be full of markers" -- you're right, you don't want a ton of markers, but if a search has more than (say) 10 results, you probably need to paginate anyway.

ph0rque• 18 years ago

Second the markers sentiment... put 'em on there. I'd rather have say 100 markers crowding my map (and knowing that there are 100 events in my area) than not seeing any.

ricree2• 18 years ago

Except for areas with a particularly high number of venues, (downtown, college campus, etc), the shows should turn up in groups based on where they're playing.

Actually, once you get going and have time to start adding features, I'd recommend trying to run some analysis on venues within the search range, and have places that typically fit the search pattern show up on the initial search. Searching for particular shows is certainly useful, but there would also be a lot of times when I'd like to just check out what type of music a place regularly plays. At any rate, it's just something to think about when you get a chance.

shawndrost6• 18 years ago

Also, when you're moving the map center, scroll rather than reload: I forget the syntax, but you can see an example of what I mean by clicking here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q...

...and clicking the topmost photo on the map.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

didn't know I could do that. Completely new to working with the maps.

I've made a few of the more minor changes you recommended (including the scrolling), and just uploaded it to the server, but I think the fonts/images, etc is going to take me some time. Probably won't get that sorted today.

But you've really opened my eyes, shawndrost, I can't thank you enough.

I'll be making lots of changes over the next few days I'm sure.

dandelany• 18 years ago

"Cut the adwords and the digg/share widgets. They're not going to get you money or traffic, respectively, and they look trashy."

With all due respect, are you serious? Most AdWords users I've heard from have had fairly positive feedback on the system.

And beyond that, it's likely that pedalpete has spent several months and/or thousands of dollars from his own pocket building a useful web aggregator that provides free, easy to use, searchable data to the teeming masses. And you're telling him to get rid of his site's single, small source of income, because you think it looks trashy? I'm all for minimalism in UI design, but get real.

danhak• 18 years ago

I agree to an extent, but what Shawn might have meant is that the trade-off between cluttering the design and making a few cents/day right now isn't worth it.

It might be a better strategy to keep the most clean, minimalistic approach during the infant stages then introduce adwords once there's a steady stream of traffic.

smanek• 18 years ago

Pretty cool in principle. The IP geodetection thing is really great.

I agree that the layout could use a lot of work. It's rather difficult to use on my X60 (1024x768 resolution).

Also, the filtering is very nice, but there's still a bit of information overload for me since there are over a hundred shows playing near where I live, in the genres I'm interested in, on a random saturday.

An extra feature that may be help alleviate that problem could be integration with some other site/service/application that already knows my musical tastes. For example, I've already spent a fair amount of time telling iTunes, Last.fm, pandora, and facebook what I like. It would be great if you could leverage that to provide me with a better filter.

shawndrost6• 18 years ago

Actually, the ip geolocation got me wrong, which is odd, considering eg ip2location.com got it right. Switch providers?

jkent• 18 years ago

This is a great service, although IP autodetect didn't work for me. It wasn't a problem to search for London (it didn't go to Canada, at least!).

The map could be sized differently depending on resolution, so you don't have to scroll.

The genre list needs an overhaul. If you search for Ambient, it returns bands that claim to be Metal / Ambient, which is not the same! I like to find things by genre.

Is this primarily a nicer interface to myspace music?

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

Hey JKent,

At the moment this is an actual working interface for MySpace music. But I'll be adding more features in the near future which extend beyond that.

paulsb• 18 years ago

Works well enough but looks bad. I would:

1) Get rid of the brown and orange combo - too 70's, and the orange doesn't work well with the orange lines of the map;

2) Move the map to the middle and have your results in a column on the right;

3) On the left, have a column for inputting the location data, have a clickable calendar to select a date, and have a slider bar so you can increase or decrease the "within" search area (or perhaps something like a target board where the middle is the location you put in and you click on an outer ring to widen your "within" area);

My personnel design philosophy is: reduce the number of clicks - that is, always try to reduce the number of clicks a user has to do to get the information they want. E.g. for the "within" drop down menu: one click to get to to drop down and another to select the option; a slider is one click to zoom in or out. Having a calendar already on screen removes the need to try and use the pop-up one, which again reduces the number clicks from a hover and click to just one. However, where you have lots of options, such as the genres, I think you still need a drop down menu because there are two many options to list....unless you put them all in some sort of bar. Don't know. Try it.

Anyway, I hope that made sense and helps. Good luck.

o_sam_o• 18 years ago

The site appears to be aimed at a world wide audience and therefore it would be nice if it handled metric units a little better.

e.g. "2234 live shows on all dates within 25 miles of Sydney"

Maybe the units could be set based on ip range?

pdrummond• 18 years ago

This seems like a great idea - I am going to see Kylie at the Newcastle Arena (UK) tomorrow night and the site showed Kylie as the first result! Cool!

One problem - the map is showing Newcastle somewhere in America! Oops! If I type in "Newcastle, Uk", the map jumps to the right place but the music results change and Kylie is no longer there...

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

Yeah, this is the unfortunate effect of how the artists have entered there data into MySpace - not sure who I can fix that.

When artists supply good data (which seems to be the majority), things work well. Google maps seems to default to the US when searching for locations, so I'm guessing that entering UK into a geo-search isn't a rarity for you.. is that right. I'll see if I can get some sort of filter that tries to pick the name with the greatest population or something. That makes much more sense. Have a good time at the show.

ia• 18 years ago

great idea. the functionality is good, but i think an investment in a UI redesign would be a good one. also, i searched for "rock" within 25 miles of boston on 7/27 and got a result from washington and one from nc.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

Lots of great UI ideas coming from this post. I'll be playing with LOTS of different ideas over the next little bit.

I've noticed a few odd results creep in myself. I'll work on that. Thanks

Deadsunrise• 18 years ago

Make a small message for the people using NoScript so they allow javascript from your page. With javascript off it looks like shit and the search is broken (shows "exiting" on a white page)

kp212• 18 years ago

I think it would be nice to have a date range, and perhaps the option to search by genre or band. I would like to be able to see whats going on in the month of August, or see if any of my bands are coming into the area.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

Hey Kp, date range is on the way, working out some bugs, but hopefully by the end of next week. There is a genre filter, but i need to pair it down, there are WAY too many options. Lots of other sites do the band search, not sure if I'll add that in, though you aren't the first to mention it.

utnick• 18 years ago

great! Very impressive work.

I was just looking for something like this the other day, citysearch is so cumbersome.

Playing songs isnt working for me though. When I click through to the myspace page I can listen fine, but on your site it just stays at 0% ( vista, firefox 3.0.1, flash 9 )

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

utnick! I'm so disappointed the songs don't work for you. You're the second person to report that. I'm also on FF 3.0.1 & flash 9, but on XP - I'm probably going to make a big change so that this isn't an issue anymore, but it might take a week or so - hopefully not more.

acangiano• 18 years ago

Pro: Works surprisingly well. Cons: The site has little visual appeal and it wouldn't be bad to have a bit more in the way of "social" features, like the ability to add comments on events.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

I've been working on adding some social features beyond just sharing links on Facebook and Friendfeed - hopefully in the next few weeks.

morbidkk• 18 years ago

how it is working? any clues?

truebosko• 18 years ago

The layout is horrid. Sorry to say. The controls seem awkward and kind of broken, and the event listing is small and hard to browse through. I got many of the same results (As in same band, different date) but the way it was presented didn't flow too well

APART from that, it worked great. Normally hard to find services that can actually find stuff in my smallish town but it did a good job.

Also I would definitely add a date range to the calendar and not just a single date (or all dates) .. that'd be neat :)

deathbyzen• 18 years ago

As for functionality, I think you're A+. Presentation... probably a solid C. I'm not crazy about the color scheme and your results are a bit cluttered and hard to read. Cool concept though, definitely.

TimothyFitz• 18 years ago

The functionality is already a jump over everyone else in this space.

Forget graphical issues; do a real usability study. Then start funneling ad traffic to the site and start A/B testing more usable interfaces (aka don't take my word for it, use data!)

louislouis2• 18 years ago

The layout sucks and colour scheme isn't great either. I think you've tried to cram everything before the fold which gives it the visual headache that it does. Sparse it all out, seperate the map from the controls.

Would be cool if the map geo-located my ip and displayed my local results on first visit. -edit- Ahh it looks like you're already doing that but didn't work for me (showed london).

Overall nice idea and it works quite well.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

Hey Louisloius, Apprently your comment points to our opposing attitudes, as I commented on mixturtle that you had too much below the fold. ;)

I don't think users should have to scroll to see content, particularly when there is a sub-scroll and a map. I think it would suck if you scolled down, selected an address, had to scroll back up to get to see the location, or the player(I originally had my player inline like you have on mixturtle, but wasn't a huge fan of it that way, preferring the consistent location for the control).

Having said all that, your site looks way better than mine, so I definately take your critique seriously. I've already started piecing together a new layout, but with the additional features I have coming, it is only getting heavier. :(

My original had the map seperate form the controls, and I may return to that. Thanks - hope all is going well with mixturtle.

louislouis2• 18 years ago

lol I wasn't sure if you would pick up on that, I tried to keep it subtle hehe.

Anyway I think if you really wona keep everything before the fold, I'd suggest giving the bands-box more weight than the map. If you swapped it round that would work quite well. So the map would be 30% of space and bands get 70% rest. But if you're thinking of adding lots of markers to the map, I'd suggest 50/50 split.

Check out http://kuler.adobe.com/ for color scheming.

Good luck.

pchristensen• 18 years ago

I disagree with all the people that criticized the colors and layout (unless you've made a lot of changes in the last 14 hours). I like the way it looks, I found it easy to use, loved the big map, etc. Not everything has to have the spare white rounded corner Web 2.0 look, and if you're pulling events from MySpace, you're better off not looking like FaceBook.

pedalpete13• 18 years ago

After the absolute DESTRUCTION i've taken over the design here - which is GREAT, i don't want design holding this back. I've updated the look - actually reverted to an old look with some of the input changes made from recommendations here.

I hope this one is better recieved :) Still has some tweaking to be done, but a few simple changes give it a whole new look. Hope you like this one better.

fauigerzigerk• 18 years ago

Great service, I love it! I'm surely going to use it next time I'm looking for a show. I don't know all the places where I live so the map is important.

I agree the UI needs some work to make it look more calm generally. I guess colours are a matter of taste but the alignment of UI widgets is terrible right now (Firefox on Mac).

What I'd like to see changed is the genre list. It's much too detailed. Particularly because I can make only one choice at a time. Most people will want all rock and pop or all latin music, etc. It doesn't make sense to have more than, say, 5 genres. If you don't want to cut them down that much you should allow users to make multiple selections at a time.

The date filter should read "today", "tomorrow", "select from calendar".

I know that's going to be controversial, but I really like layouts that use the entire screen real estate and don't make me scroll. Can you put the ads vertically along the right or left border?

When I search for shows at a different location, the previously selected show (the one at the top) isn't removed as it should be.

As I said, I really like that service and I wish you a lot of success with it!

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