Programming Language Framework Traction on Hacker News

http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2011/03/17/framework-traction-on-hacker-news

by PixelRobot • 15 years ago

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estel• 15 years ago

Are these normalised for the site's growth?

sogrady5• 15 years ago

@estel: no, the charts are not adjusted for the growth of HN itself.

beck5• 15 years ago

Although Spring and Rails do similar things I think they serve two different roles. A more accurate comparison would be something like the Play! Framework, which would barely register (unfortunately)

rbanffy3• 15 years ago

All web frameworks do similar things. The important point is what kind of thing each of the doesn't do. Spring doesn't avoid writing tons of boilerplate, specially compared to Rails.

St-Clock• 15 years ago

At its core, Spring provides some niceties such as dependency injection, resource location, validation, and data binding, all for POJOs: you can use these features in a regular app or in a web app. For other features such as persistence, you can see Spring as a meta-framework wrapping other frameworks (e.g., hibernate).

Spring Framework thus go way beyond web frameworks.

Disclaimer: I'm not a huge fan of Spring and I don't like "meta-frameworks", but to qualify it as a "web framework" is diminutive at best.

jasonkester• 15 years ago

Interesting to note that Spring sees a yearly surge in interest between February and April. Are you sure you cleaned your data correctly, or did you just search by keyword?

sogrady5• 15 years ago

@jasonkester: the dataset only spans 14 months, so i'm not quite sure what you mean by yearly surge in interest. there are very definite horizontal seasonal fluctuations, though, it's true.

as to the second question, matching is simply by keyword, or at least the regular expression equivalent.

d0mine• 15 years ago

March to May is a spring (season). If you see a surge in interest between February and April it might mean that Spring (framework) has nothing to do with it.

dimmuborgir3• 15 years ago

It's interesting how Django manages to get good mention on HN. But the fact is, there are very few job opportunities for Django developers compared to, say, Rails developers. Even on the supply side, its difficult to find Django developers for startups.

timc3• 15 years ago

Perhaps its because for one we could hire anyone with Python skills or secondly anyone that is proficient in computer science can usually pick up Python quickly.

dimmuborgir3• 15 years ago

I don't think you could just hire a Python programmer who has never done web programming. And even if he has some experience in web programming, Django has its own share of learning curve to master.

sogrady5• 15 years ago

The data seems to agree. Django job growth is relatively stagnant:

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=django%2C+rails%2C+node.js...

dimmuborgir3• 15 years ago

Fixed it for ya: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=django%2C+%22ruby+on+rails...

Edit: Another point to note is, Indeed aggregates traditional job boards where Rails jobs are less posted. Rails job postings are usually done on Github job board, 37signals job board and many Ruby oriented job boards like toprubyjobs.com.

keyle• 15 years ago

I think the languages that's going to win is the one providing the best value and the easy adoption. I tend to go for nodejs. How many times a language is mentioned does not necessarily reflect its power or its capabilities.

wpeterson• 15 years ago

Rails seems an ideal language for startups, but I was still surprised to see how highly it plays on HackerNews.

Lot's of great quotes in this article from earlier this week about why startups in Boston are using Rails:

http://bostinnovation.com/2011/03/22/boston-companies-using-...

astrofinch• 15 years ago

More data:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1843083

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=750142

etc. You can search on google with "site:news.ycombinator.com" as a prefix and get useful results on pretty much anything startup-related.

Programming Language Framework Traction on Hacker News

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