Ask HN: D programmers, what does your development setup look like?

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by abhijat • 7 years ago

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For D programming, I was wondering what sort of setup do people have in terms of code editor, plugins for editor and build system?

Do you have features like autocomplete and refactoring in your environment?

I recently started exploring D and I use VSCode and the code-d plugin with dub or simply dmd -run for small files, but was wondering what more seasoned developers use.

DmitryOlshansky• 7 years ago

I used plain Sublime, but switched to VSCode with code-d plugin / dcd completion daemon.

Usually works decently unless you tinker with std library / runtime where you are mostly on your own.

giancarlostoro4• 7 years ago

I gotta admit, VS Code is probably the most complete setup I've seen:

https://wiki.dlang.org/Editors

See the wiki page for reference of features supported by different editors. The other neat thing about VS Code for people who love vim: with Neovim you can use the full blown power of VIM as the backend for editing in VS Code whilst using the plugins from VS Code and Neovim.

vips7L2• 7 years ago

Is there a specific extension to use neovim with vscode?

bachmeier2• 7 years ago

A text editor with a Makefile and gdb have always worked just fine for me. And that is in fact one of the things that appealed to me when I started using D. These days VSCode and CLion seem to be the tools of choice, so maybe I should give them a try.

giancarlostoro4• 7 years ago

I use VS Code or Sublime Text 3 (just syntax highlighting and command line compilation) but wish there was either a D based official editor (a la DrRacket for Racket or IDLE for Python, which are simple but good enough) and that somebody at JetBrains would adopt and maintain one of the Dlang plugins. I would even be okay with Walter Bright (or anyone in the D community) taking one of his Emacs implementations in D and giving it a GUI with menu options for people who don't know Emacs keybindings and letting the community take over, an officially supported editor would be healthy.

I almost exclusively code with JetBrains IDEs for almost every other language, especially Go. The way GoLand feels handcrafted for Go is phenomenal for me.

I've also used Spacemacs for D but Emacs is always hit or miss for me to setup Spacemacs so I gave up on Emacs, too much overhead, if I have to go beyond the install steps given by Spacemacs to make it work, it's not worth my time period.

jefftime• 7 years ago

I had a similar experience with Spacemacs. I currently use regular Emacs with some packages (evil-mode) and find it much easier to deal with and configure than Spacemacs. Emacs does take some additional configuration after install in order to get it how you want it, so you still might dislike it, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents

giancarlostoro4• 7 years ago

I have not tried anything else because I just use Emacs as is, I never really liked VIM till recently and even now I rarely use it unless I'm working directly on a remote system (bash scripts for legacy systems).

My biggest appeal for Emacs is TRAMPS, where I am able to edit files after setting up Emacs once.

I forgot to add this on my post which I linked to in a reply to someone else's comment but here's a list of editors and what they support for D:

https://wiki.dlang.org/Editors

brianush1• 7 years ago

I use VSCode with Laurent Tréguier's Dlang extension[0], which provides support for autocomplete, linting, and formatting code, and dub for building, testing, and managing packages.

The reason for choosing the Dlang plugin over code-d is pretty petty; it's just because I prefer Dlang's syntax highlighting, since it highlights class names in a teal color.

[0] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=LaurentT...

abaga1293• 7 years ago

Vscode is my preferred editor as well. I recently switched to Dlang from code-d. To me Dlang has felt more stable. I frequently switch back and forth across multiple OSs and computers so the most reliable is what I will go with. I also like that DLang uses D language server rather that relying on dfmt dcd and scanner separately.

I still like code-d and would recommend anyone to try both before deciding for yourself. I used code-d for about 3 years.

p0nce• 7 years ago

I use Visual Studio and the VisualD extension.

skocznymroczny2• 7 years ago

I use the code-d plugin with VSCode. Yes, I have autocomplete. I haven't really seen any refactoring options, and I think D isn't a very refactoring friendly language in general, because a lot of the code doesn't exist until compilation time.

For building I use dub. For debugging I use built-in C++ Native support in VSCode.

hr0m• 7 years ago

I use VS Codium. That is the opensource packaging without Microsofts calling home functionality: https://vscodium.com, with the Vim and code-d extension.

You also will want to change some shortcuts, so for example you can switch to terminal and back with CTRL+~, in order to run/test your app quickly.

I would also like to have a full fledged IDE like i have for Python with pycharm, but currently nothing is available.

tfcat• 7 years ago

DLangIDE* (somehow not listed on dlang's official editor list) is sincerely the best I've used in terms of IDEs, but for most work, there's not much that can beat plain Sublime 3.

* https://github.com/buggins/dlangide

abhijat2• 7 years ago

Thanks for mentioning this, I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere before in my (admittedly shallow) research.

zmix• 7 years ago

The Language Server Protocol (LSP) runs not only on VSCode, btw., but recently, SublimeText3 got support for it via an addon.

WebFreak001• 7 years ago

For multiple years I have been using dub as build system and vscode with code-d as editor.

Well I'm a bit biased because I made code-d but nonetheless I would say it works really good for day-to-day usage for any experience level and I'm recommending it to everyone I show D for the first time too because it is very friendly for beginners and people who don't want to configure a lot.

skocznymroczny2• 7 years ago

The beginner friendly is important. I use code-d because it provides a better out of the box experience, providing dub build and run tasks. In DLS I either only get the building task or have to set them up myself.

abhijat2• 7 years ago

Thanks for all your work on code-d. I don't have a lot of experience with d but I really like the development experience that your plug-in provides, it certainly made things easier to learn as a beginner.

chromatin• 7 years ago

I use VSCode with webfreak's code-d extension[0] on both macOS and linux. Overall am very pleased with this. My dream would be for some JetBrains integration into CLion.

[0] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=webfreak...

bachmeier2• 7 years ago

FYI, some[1] have reported using the D Language plugin[2] with CLion.

[1] https://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.344.1577092366.31109.di... [2] https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/8115-d-language/

abaga1293• 7 years ago

Yeah they added expiremental support for CLion in v1.17 but it still has a long way to go. https://github.com/intellij-dlanguage/intellij-dlanguage/blo...

I would love to see CLion support get better since we could use the debugger.

abaga1293• 7 years ago

Same here. The Intellij plug-in for D is getting there but has a long way to go. I tried it in IDEA and made some contributions to it but it is still a bit away from being usable for professional work and it's even farther from being usable in CLion IMO. The codebase is approachable though so anyone interested in it should start hacking away!

grawprog• 7 years ago

I use dlangide with dub for building.

GrumpyNl• 7 years ago

PhPstorm, JIra, bitbucket and xxamp

Cogitri• 7 years ago

I use VSCode with the excellent Code-D for my IDE needs and use both dub (mainly for development) and meson (for distros) as build systems for my projects. Dub is nice for development since it supports stuff like unittest coverage out of the box, but meson is kind of a requirement when you want to ship your stuff to distros, has better support for customisation and can do lots of fancy stuff (e.g. configure files)

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