Joe Rogan Experience #1245 – Andrew Yang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsEzmFamZ8

by gamechangr • 7 years ago

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bitlax2• 7 years ago

So how does this work? If Joe Rogan is a "gateway to the alt-right" are you allowed to watch episodes where his guests are liberals or does that normalize his other stuff?

anbop2• 7 years ago

Even allowing this link on this website is pretty close to hate speech.

PostOnce2• 7 years ago

I take it we're hating on the man and not the content of any particular podcast?

I've listened to the podcast repeatedly (Dan Carlin was a guest, that's how I found it), there's nothing alt-right about it, just right/conservative on issues of guns/hunting/gender, but not on issues of finance, for example. I guess "pro speech" is "alt right now". The guests are wide-ranging; some right, some alt-right, some far left.

throwaway66666• 7 years ago

What? Is he alt-right? I thought he's actually liberal leaning.

Many of his episodes is about drugs and his experiences with psychedelics, which would make most conservative folks suspicious. Can you post something that elaborates into those claims?

thrower123• 7 years ago

Alt-right is a term devoid of meaning, it has been abused so badly and so often. No one can agree on what it means, so it cannot be parsed as anything more than "those people I don't like, who entertain bad thoughts."

bitlax2• 7 years ago

I think the whole thing is asinine. Just wondering what the rules are this week.

gamechangr4• 7 years ago

Rogan doesn't describe himself as "alt-right".

Joe Rogan -Wikipedia says: He has "mostly libertarian views" and describes himself as "pretty liberal" and "supports gay marriage".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan

Full paragraph here:

"Rogan is not affiliated with any political party but was described as having mostly libertarian views.[67] He has described himself as being "pretty liberal" and supports gay marriage, gay rights, women's rights, recreational drug use, universal healthcare, and universal basic income, while also supporting the Second Amendment[68"

asdf9240• 7 years ago

He may be liberal or not, that is irrelevant. OP said was that he was a gateway to the alt-right, not alt-right himself.

eesmith2• 7 years ago

And you regard this as strong counter-evidence to the claim about being a 'gateway to the alt-right'?

First, 'libertarian' and 'right' are pretty compatible. See, for example, David Koch. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koch you'll see he also "considers himself a social liberal,[20] supporting women's right to choose,[21] gay rights, same-sex marriage and stem-cell research.[2][22] He opposes the war on drugs."

He's also a global warming denialist and major funder of many conservative and Republican causes and candidates.

Second, libertarianism is one gateway for the alt-right. I'll quote from the Wikipedia entry for alt-right, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right :

There were also links between the American libertarian movement and the alt-right, despite libertarianism's general repudiation of identity politics.[55] Many senior alt-rightists previously considered themselves libertarians,[56] and the libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard has been cited as a particular link between the two movements due to his staunch anti-egalitarianism and support for ideas about differing IQ levels among racial groups. ...
After Spencer was fired from The American Conservative, in 2008 he became managing director of Taki Theodoracopulos's right-wing website Taki's Magazine.[73][74] The website initially contained contributions largely from paleoconservatives and libertarians, but under Spencer also gave space to white nationalists like Taylor.[75] In 2009, Spencer used the term "alternative right" in the title of an article by white nationalist Kevin DeAnna;[76][77] by 2010, Spencer had moved fully from paleoconservatism to white nationalism. ...
It was on websites like 4chan and Reddit that the term gained wider usage, and in 2015 began to grow in popularity.[91] Although there had previously been a strong left-libertarian contingent to these online spaces, there was a gradual rightward turn in chan culture centred on 4chan's politics board, /pol/.

Of course "libertarian" does not mean "alt-right", and "not all libertarians." But the topic here was one of gateway to the alt-right.

Since there is a notable connection between libertarian views and the progression towards alt-right, pointing out that someone has libertarian views is not counter-evidence.

finnthehuman• 7 years ago

“Joe isn't a bad guy. He genuinely wants to understand the world, and talks to everyone he can find in an attempt to do so. He's just a little too gullible and not quite introspective or rational enough to notice when the guest with the persuasive personality is saying crazy things. For example, he thinks LSD gives you dolphin telepathy.”

(Stolen from reddit. On mobile, can’t link.)

PostOnce2• 7 years ago

What I don't get about Yang's pitch is that $1,000/mo is sold as a basic income. In what part of America can $1,000 pay for rent/food/power? Why bother calling it a basic income and not just a universal tax credit or something, if it isn't in fact a basic income (which means enough to survive on)?

toomuchtodo• 7 years ago

That’s the US poverty line for a single person. It can be done. It’s not comfy, but it can be done.

gamechangr4• 7 years ago

He does in fact do just that. He calls it " A freedom dividend"

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/the-freedom-dividend/

Yang doesn't mean for it to be enough to survive on. He means it to be enough to "supplement people to get out of a scarcity mentality".

derrick_jensen• 7 years ago

You can live pretty comfortably off of $1000 a month (as a single person) in the Midwest. If you are in some sort of relationship, you have an effective $2k (not including the savings from not having to pay for rent again). If you need more money, save some money up over time and put it into a mutual fund or another financial device.

mac01021• 7 years ago

It seems like he may have switched more recently to calling it "the freedom dividend", rather than UBI. I'm not sure how consistently, though.

Also, in most of the USA, $1,000 is enough for rent, food, and power, at least with a flatmate taking on half of the rent.

IXxXI• 7 years ago

Social security in the united states is on the brink of failing. The problem with UBI has to do with it being virtually identical to social security while doing nothing to fix any of the intrinsic issues present in the structure of state big spending programs.

Joe Rogan Experience #1245 – Andrew Yang

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