Sweden will vote against the copyright deal/article 13

https://twitter.com/senficon/status/1115620746951262209

by doener • 7 years ago

254 81 7 years ago

shmerl11• 7 years ago

Good, more countries should have opposed this corrupt censorship bill.

jug• 7 years ago

Europe was pretty torn and I got the impression that votes were ”for” by default and ”against” where there was an ongoing public debate. If true, I hope that was more due to politicians misunderstanding the consequences due to technical obstacles rather than lobbyism...

The arguments in favor have also been strange, even from institutions like the Swedish EU Commision! They argued that this directive was no big deal because social networks already employ AI assisted filters to respect copyrights. Yeah, but those are also known to be heavy handed, and depend on huge training sets. It completely disregards small businesses and startups with no resources to deal with this.

shmerl11• 7 years ago

It doesn't look like misunderstanding. There was more than enough information about how bad this bill is. I'd blame corruption here.

Mirioron3• 7 years ago

People seem too simply not know what goes on in the EU. And even if they do they feel powerless about it in smaller countries. I'm in an ex-Soviet country and some of the older people I've talked to about it have said that they think they have as much of a say in the EU as they did in the Soviet Union. (Which is none.)

kalleboo• 7 years ago

The Swedish article linked in the tweet concludes that the Swedish vote makes absolutely no difference, and the only thing that can change the result is Germany changing its mind.

SlowRobotAhead2• 7 years ago

Does Germany have a disproportionate amount of control over the EU? Or are you saying the support is already split and Germany is the deciding factor in this case? Or both?

tapland• 7 years ago

Yeah. It pretty much says that the smaller countries changing their votes doesn't have any effect without for example Germany doing the same.

angott• 7 years ago

It is not really about certain countries having more control than others. Germany has the largest population in the EU, and since MEPs apportionment is proportional to population, 99 out of 785 MEPs are German. It's a matter of demographics.

subjectHarold• 7 years ago

Just to note first about the other answers: the EU Parliament is really not very important. Most decisions are made within the Council, which as said elsewhere, votes based on population weight. The Parliament does seem to exercise real power over the Commission but beyond that...not much.

Germany is influential because they have a large population i.e. high vote weight in the Council AND they lead a bloc of other nations with similar values (Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, etc.).

It is worth noting though: the UK leaving the EU will likely change this (they usually voted with Germany and had a 13% weight of the EU population). Germany will likely retain some moral leadership but, at the very least, a blocking minority vote (35% of population and 4 members) is possible (the most likely scenario is a France/Italy combination with two other minor members).

Mirioron3• 7 years ago

They have a proportionate control over the EU due to their population. Right now the vote went to the council where it needs a qualified majority (I think). This means that 55% of the member states (16) have to vote for it and 65% of the population has to have voted for it.

johnnycab• 7 years ago

It is fairly easy to calculate the support, after applying the voting rule[1]. Nonetheless, the decision is now in the hands of the EU Council. It is also irrelevant, whether or not there were any mutually beneficial exchanges between the Franco-German alliance to revive this directive, to be passed into law.

[1] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/...

puzzle• 7 years ago

It's worse than that: the German press pretty much runs the show.

mtgx• 7 years ago

Considering Germany is the one that first proposed it, I'd say the chances of that happening are quite slim. You're better off convincing several other countries to vote against it.

rasz• 7 years ago

Germany is busy building Putin pipeline to bypass all other EU countries, and will vote whatever France tells them to vote in exchange for the support.

legohead• 7 years ago

twitter is being evil with the back button now? click on the link, then click on one of the tweet replies.. then try going back to HN, twitter won't have that!

kumarharsh• 7 years ago

Use the native back button (if on Android) instead of Twitter's back button. It's been like that since a long time.

reificator• 7 years ago

Chrome 73 on Windows 10, the site is definitely hijacking the browser's back button. Spamming it works, but a single press is not enough to get away from Twitter.

Worth investigating whether this is due to a redirect, or whether it's due to misusing the history API. Either way, it feels very user-hostile.

_bxg1• 7 years ago

I thought the vote already happened? How can they change it?

sirlantis• 7 years ago

It only passed in the parliament, hasn't passed the council yet (bicameral legislature like in the US and many other countries).

framtidsljus• 7 years ago

The title of the article is not properly translated. "Sverige vill ändra" actually means "Swedens wants to change", not "will change". Also, "Sweden", in this case is the "EU committee" of the Swedish parliament. The committee wants the government to vote no. The matter isn't final yet I guess.

5ExJHrwW2• 7 years ago

The responsible minister Morgan Johansson has said that the government will abide by the parliaments decision:

"We have an order that we should anchor decisions in the Riksdag, now that the Riksdag has changed its attitude, the government will of course have to follow it."

https://translate.google.com/translate?client=ubuntu&client=...

lelf• 7 years ago

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

Sweden wants to change its vote on “Article 13” — here are the ways it can trap the directive

Sweden will vote against the copyright deal/article 13

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