HyperCard Zine

https://crime.team/~hypercard/

by rbanffy • 8 years ago

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MR4D• 8 years ago

The website design alone makes this worth the visit! Takes me back a few years (decades?).

bamboo_7• 8 years ago

That font alone takes me back!

JKCalhoun• 8 years ago

Simpler times....

santa_boy• 8 years ago

Exactly my thought when I visited it! I feel the design is still simple and aesthetic even today! Just wondering ...

brylie• 8 years ago

Is there an open-source hypercard equivalent? It seems that Hypercard made programming very accessible, so it would be good if an open source project/community is continuing the ethos.

Someone• 8 years ago

https://livecode.com. Source claimed to be at https://livecode.org (can’t find it without registering, but maybe, I didn’t look hard enough). I don’t know how well it tracks the .com offering, either.

dcuthbertson• 8 years ago

The source code seems to be at https://github.com/livecode/livecode

jamesgeck0• 8 years ago

This used to be called MetaCard! I can't believe it's still around; I must have used this thing fifteen years ago.

leephillips2• 8 years ago

HTML + javascript. I mean that as a serious answer to your question. I made a handful of stacks back then, and this is the logical replacement. While still not as cool in some ways as Hypercard, at least HTML + javascript is not confined to one company's computers.

Angostura• 8 years ago

Having done quite a lot of hypercard programming back in the day - HTML + javscript is nothing like a replacement. Hypercard's authoring simplicity was what made it so great.

itomato2• 8 years ago

"And if you think that XCode, Python, Processing, or the shit soup of HTML/Javascript/CSS are any kind of substitute for HyperCard, then read this post again. And if you continue to think so, then you might be an autistic typical software “engineer,” and please don’t waste your time commenting here. Sink back into the cube farm hellpit from whence you came.

Otherwise, sit down and contemplate the fact that what has been built once could probably be built again."

http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568

analog31• 8 years ago

In my view, HC is not just a programming tool, but also a rudimentary database engine. This may have helped make it attractive in its day.

Of course HC was many things to many people. The modern replacement could be identified by what people actually use in daily life for simple programming and databases: Excel.

I wrote an assembler in HC.

beobab• 8 years ago

I don't know of an open source version, but Supercard is still available for the mac, and will even play a large proportion of Hypercard stacks. http://www.supercard.us/

Pricey, mind!

teamonkey• 8 years ago

It's not HyperCard, or intended to be, but Twine captures some of the spirit, I think.

http://twinery.org/

zeveb• 8 years ago

HyperCard has been used by LGBT and other marginalized people to make interactive art representing their experiences.

What an odd thing to say about it. Handwriting, too, has been used by LGBT and other marginalised people to make art representing their experiences. HyperCard has no doubt been used by mainstream people to make interactive art representing their experiences. HyperCard has no doubt been used by marginalised and mainstream people to make business applications.

HyperCard was really neat technology, regardless of who was using it at the time. It enabled some neat stacks, with a pretty neat visual æsthetic.

Cyberdog2• 8 years ago

If you keep reading, the person who designed this site announces herself as a lesbian, so I guess it's an identity at the forefront of her mind.

Nonetheless, yes, when she puts a line like that above the fold, one can't help but assume what she's really going for here is HyperCard stacks specifically relevant to the LGBT experience (what a weird sentence to type this morning). A niche audience within a niche audience. But I guess that's something the internet is great at serving.

pavlov3• 8 years ago

... one can't help but assume what she's really going for here is HyperCard stacks specifically relevant to the LGBT experience

Why assume? It says so right there on the page:

"I'm especially interested in seeing work from LGBT people, POC, and other marginalized groups, but everyone is welcome to submit a stack!"

I don't really understand why this would upset anyone. Curated compilations are common in every medium. Of course the curator will prefer to choose content that has a common theme.

beaugunderson• 8 years ago

It's not an odd thing to say at all:

https://archive.org/details/hypercard_caper-in-the-castro

Programmed by CM Ralph (https://cmralph.com/) in 1989, Caper in the Castro is likely the first LGBT game. It was distributed via BBS, and is 'Charityware', with the designer asking players to donate to the AIDS Charity of their choice.

ryanlol• 8 years ago

Zine contents are veeery different from what one might expect based on the domain :P

kerkeslager• 8 years ago

Avoiding the identity politics discussion which will likely ensue here:

HyperCard introduced me to programming, and I'd love to read/edit stacks for purposes of nostalgia. How do people read/edit stacks these days? Preferably on modern hardware/OSes--I don't have an old-school Mac any more.

dangoor• 8 years ago

You can do it in your browser: https://archive.org/details/HyperCardBootSystem7

More info here: https://blog.archive.org/2017/08/11/hypercard-on-the-archive...

jandrese3• 8 years ago

Am I missing something or are there zero stacks available on that site at the moment?

mcphage• 8 years ago

This is a request for submissions.

jandrese3• 8 years ago

I'd think the person making the request would put a couple of examples up. At the very least it would show if he's put thought into how this eZine is going to work once he does have submissions.

BugsJustFindMe2• 8 years ago

First box text layout is broken in Firefox 58.0.2 Linux

https://imgur.com/a/uMbZD

blackth0rn• 8 years ago

Works fine for me on Firefox 58.0b14 on Linux

BugsJustFindMe2• 8 years ago

I think it got fixed. Looks good to me now.

_Marak_• 8 years ago

Have always really liked Hypercard. Would totally be interested in a new Hypercard style system where users can upload and share cards. Kate Compton's "Generominos" project looks like a promising start: http://www.galaxykate.com/generominos/

Aside from the blatant identity politics of this "crime.team" site, it seems to be about the site creator trying to sell other people's submitted work for free.

By submitting your stack, you are giving me permission to sell your stack as part of HyperCard Zine. I ask that, if your stack is published as part of HyperCard Zine, please wait at least a year after publication to sell it on your own.

Hard pass.

pavlov3• 8 years ago

Maybe the alternative is not getting your weird Hypercard stack published at all? The curator's work is also worth something.

If this were a poetry journal that seeks contributions from young male writers, I don't think anyone would call it "blatant identity politics". Somehow women doing creative things on a computer get treated particularly harshly.

jandrese3• 8 years ago

If this were a poetry journal that seeks contributions from young male writers, I don't think anyone would call it "blatant identity politics".

That is exactly identity politics...

If that's the game they want to play then fine, but call a spade a spade here.

tomjakubowski2• 8 years ago

it seems to be about the site creator trying to sell other people's submitted work for free.

… Just above the section you quote:

"All artists who end up in the final copy will get an equal cut of the revenue made from selling the collection."

Yeah, it sucks that you couldn't sell the stack you submit on your own for a year, but isn't almost always that the case for freelance work? When you're a freelance journalist, surely your client buys the right to publish your story exclusively for some period of time.

cortesoft2• 8 years ago

Man, HyperCard was my jam. I learned to really program as a 10 year old making games in HyperCard.

This was before the internet, so my only source of docs and help was my copy old hand-me-down copy of The HyperCard Bible I got from a family friend.

I had no idea about data structures or anything, so I reinvented so many of them trying to make my games. I would create a field, make it really tiny, and then stick it way in the corner behind a button and use that as my data storage.

scroot5• 8 years ago

Same. Aside from some very primitive BASIC, at about 9 or 10 this was my first experience with programming. And yes, it counts as programming.

Hypercard hints at the kind of elegance that's possible when there isn't such a strict divide between the computer programmer and the computer user. We live in a world that went the complete opposite direction from this. So instead of being able to copy and paste the Bold button from Word and use it anywhere else in my system, or — gasp! — alt-click on it to change what it does, I have to learn a full programming stack to add new features to my own computer.

The thinking behind it is due for a comeback

styfle• 8 years ago

React Components can almost do this. There are React dev tools to inspect each Component on the page (not just html element). You could jump to source and copy/paste the Component in another app.

proverbialbunny• 8 years ago

Me to! at 10 years old. Thankfully there was a lot of examples I could use, but I didn't have any "magic" HyperCard Bibles or books or anything like that, so I had to do a bit of Motorola 68000 programming and frankenstein myself a program.

dilap• 8 years ago

Me 4. Such an amazing piece of software. In some ways there's still no worthy replacement -- the lack of bullshit and the thoughtful integration of all the parts were quite remarkable.

I still remember the moment I figured out I could compare positions with if to make make an enemy follow you around the screen. I felt like a god!

cortesoft2• 8 years ago

Oh man, I made so many games with buttons moving around as enemies. And the. Smaller buttons acted as projectiles....

DonHopkins• 8 years ago

I wrote earlier about publishing live HyperCard stacks with WebStar -- I wonder if that would run in the Mac emulator:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7865263

The coolest thing somebody did with WebStar was to integrate it with HyperCard so you could actually publish live INTERACTIVE HyperCard stacks on the web, that you could see as images you could click on to follow links, and followed by html form elements corresponding to the text fields, radio buttons, checkboxes, drop down menus, scrolling lists, etc in the HyperCard stack that you could use in the browser to interactive with live HyperCard pages!
That was the earliest easiest way that non-programmers and even kids could both not just create graphical web pages, but publish live interactive apps on the web!

http://aaa-proteins.uni-graz.at/HyperCGI.html

http://www.drdobbs.com/web-development/cgi-and-applescript/1...

ssewell• 8 years ago

The original Myst game was written in Hypercard. With this knowledge, I wrote a Hunt the Wumpus 3D dungeon crawler in my high school CS class when everyone else was stuck with plain ol' text versions.

scroot5• 8 years ago

And it was the best selling computer game of all time for a good chunk of the 90s!

HyperTalk22• 8 years ago

Were you FruitCase on AOL?

plushpuffin2• 8 years ago

No, that was actually me. I think I called it Vumpir Slay. It was a 3D wumpus with something like a 20x20x20 cube and a map editor. I might still have it somewhere.

scroot5• 8 years ago

I saw a talk with Bill Atkinson in which a surprising number of members of the audience claimed to still maintain old hardware just for running Hypercard. Two of the members said they used it to this day to keep their own financial records and/or run POS at their businesses. They also said unequivocally that they weren't programmers.

In a related talk, Atkinson finally came out and said that the idea for Hypercard came to him during an acid trip on a park bench.

melloclello• 8 years ago

Whoa, do you have a link to that Atkinson talk?

scroot5• 8 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdJKjBHCh18

chris_st• 8 years ago

I remember trying to explain what was so cool about HyperCard when it first came out to non-nerds... and then having deja vu years later when I was trying to explain the internet, particularly since a lot of what I was saying about the net was so similar to what I'd said about HyperCard :-).

Lots of interesting similarities to the two.

BerislavLopac2• 8 years ago

I have an old HC stack which is basically quite a complex application with calculations, internal state etc. I would like to backward-engineer it and backport it to a Web and/or mobile app -- does anyone know, is there any way to extract the original code in order to get to mathematical functions involved? Thanks!

spongeb00b2• 8 years ago

Have you looked into any of the classic Mac emulators like Mini vMac or Basilisk II? You could run the original stack and get at the code from there.

BerislavLopac2• 8 years ago

I have, but they are terribly complicated to get working, especially if you don't have a Mac so can't use StuffIt. :-/

Edit: Are there any companies I could hire to do that for me?

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