Visual Studio 2017 What's New Poster

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2017/03/13/visual-studio-2017-poster/

by timsneath • 9 years ago

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neogodless• 9 years ago

The "web infographic" version is much more readable... in a web broswer: https://vs2017poster.azurewebsites.net/

johnhattan• 9 years ago

Yeah, when they say "poster", they're not kidding. I imagine the one-pager is gonna be impossibly hard to read unless you have a printer that can handle 24"x36" or larger.

pjmlp4• 9 years ago

Back when they had the first SQL Server version after the Sybase deal, I think it was version 6.5, we got a full wall poster containing a description of all metadata tables sent to us, along the usual pile of MSDN CDs.

voltagex_3• 9 years ago

They've also gotten rid of the ISO installer which is making enterprise deployment a real pain.

Yuioup• 9 years ago

What about volume licensing? We've been waiting a few days and nothing is showing up.

richardwhiuk• 9 years ago

Out of curiosity, why is an ISO installer useful for enterprise deployment? I'd have thought an MSI would be much more useful....

voltagex_3• 9 years ago

The "official" way is to use a janky installer with a tonne of parameters and no real way to tell if you've got all the files until you try to install. With an ISO, at least you're starting from a known good base when you repackage things.

I don't think Visual Studio has ever been an MSI, by the way.

alkonaut2• 9 years ago

How does such a deployment scenario work? Are there devs out there who would agree to not set up their IDE themselves? The VS installer has one million optional components, and every dev needs a different set...

Jare• 9 years ago

Imagine the computers used and shared by students in a University.

pjmlp4• 9 years ago

Yes, typical enterprise IT.

You get a development workstation configured by IT with the standard tooling allowed inside the company.

Regarding Visual Studio, it usually means a full install of professional version, or with luck the enterprise version for those with architect role.

Getting any software for development not configured out of the box by IT, usually means opening a ticket requesting the installation, alongside the reason why it is required and occasionally the corresponding cost center as well.

philliphaydon2• 9 years ago

Ouch. I can't imagine working in an environment where I don't have control over my development machine and tools. (Never been in that scenario luckily)

biot• 9 years ago

See the response to the lack of an ISO from the Microsoft Visual Studio team here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13810821#13814975 It links to an install guide for enterprise deployment.

Sorry_Rum_Ham• 9 years ago

Sweet Jesus that thing is borderline impossible to read.

timsneath3• 9 years ago

Try the web infographic version here: https://aka.ms/vs2017infographic

johnchristopher• 9 years ago

I made the switch from vim to visual studio code for php coding. Is it worth switching to vs2017 ?

softwarefounder• 9 years ago

Visual Studio is a great tool for languages that compile to a known intermediate language. From what I know, you wouldn't benefit from switching.

cobalt• 9 years ago

for PHP probably not

KirinDave4• 9 years ago

Unlikely. VS is an IDE that has a lot of dependency and compilation chain management. If you need that, it's great. If not, then stick with what you know.

timsneath3• 9 years ago

There's an extension to Visual Studio that adds rich PHP support, here: https://www.devsense.com/. It's pretty good.

You might watch this video to get a sense of what the full Visual Studio IDE offers for a PHP developer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up4bEMPktzU

macandcheese• 9 years ago

Glad to see their graphic design internship program is alive and well...

anotheryou• 9 years ago

serving pdfs to the web like no other

link to the gigantic image (displayed quite tiny on the site and after a slow load just linking to the pdf): https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/2017/03/Visua...

mcintyre1994• 9 years ago

Aww, I was wondering why they chose an unambitious C# pattern matching example and the really cool stuff didn't make this release. Looks like a solid set of improvements in the IDE and C# though, nice!

grabcocque• 9 years ago

I think they want F# to be their more experimental functional test bed, and C# to be more conservative.

jmartinpetersen2• 9 years ago

The use of pattern matching on types in an object oriented languages scares me. It's like a too easily wielded extremely powerful dependency magnet.

KirinDave4• 9 years ago

It's like a too easily wielded extremely powerful dependency magnet.

The equivalent if statement is not?

isaac_is_goat• 9 years ago

This is almost as bad as the Blender one I saw on reddit a few days ago.

Flow• 9 years ago

I bet this is the one you refer to:

http://giudansky.com/images/articoli/2016/11/blender-infogra...

At a glance it looks quite bad, but if you actually learn Blender it's probably useful.

Tomis022• 9 years ago

Let me guess, C++ performance (especially when it comes to loading really large projects) decreased again. And it's probably even more sluggish than before. That's been a trend since Visual Studio 6.

eco• 9 years ago

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/11/sho...

Also: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/13/fas...

Tomis022• 9 years ago

Thanks for the links, I'll give it a try. Not holding my breath though.

LyalinDotCom• 9 years ago

Also be sure to check out all the on-demand videos we have up now (including two training courses we did at RTM launch event), its all up on our developer network for free: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Visual-Studio...

eldavido• 9 years ago

I use Visual Studio every day these days.

Honestly, I wish it would do less, but a lot better. Rather than adding new features, I would love to see the following addressed:

- 64-bit by default. I am developing for Windows 10, make the entire C# toolchain emit 64-bit binaries. Make devenv.exe 64-bit, make the default build/compile 64-bit

- Make the XAML editor work without bombing out in not-that-unreasonable scenarios.

- Make it faster. Everywhere. Make project startup faster, make static analysis faster, make the compiler faster.

I don't use probably 90% of what it does. You're never going to convince me VS is a better tool for deployments, managing databases, or the approximately 50 other things it tries to do, better than purpose-built, scriptable tools. Just make a fast, purpose-built code editor with good static analysis capabilities, and get out of my way. FWIW, I'm really liking Visual Studio Code these days, it's more in line with what I want.

KirinDave4• 9 years ago

On the "faster" claim, you may miss it with all the visual noise but on the blog posts they boast noticeable speedups, although I didn't see any quantification.

caesarshift• 9 years ago

Item #9 from an earlier release announcement says "starting up, loading projects and building": https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/uktechnet/2016/11/29/vis...

timsneath3• 9 years ago

There's a five part blog series on performance improvements in VS2017 (then codenamed version "15"), here: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/imp...

PJDK• 9 years ago

Have you tried VS Code (https://code.visualstudio.com/) with the right plugins it might be exactly what you're after...

dazbradbury• 9 years ago

Visual Studio release system requirements with every version (I believe):

https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/productinfo/vs2017-system...

But it would be good to know what their actual developers use - as I see people complaining about Visual Studio lag all the time. Perhaps if they simply stated: SSD recommended, or our developers use XYZ in their builds - it would help individuals and organisations know what hardware is key to perfect performance.

I can't imagine devs at MS put up with lag when developing their software - so assume it's well known what hardware matches well with VS.

pjmlp4• 9 years ago

The interesting part is that this lame 2012 laptop, dual core with 8 GB and HDD, can execute VS 2015 without any major issue, but I get the fan full speed when using Android Studio instead.

quaffapint• 9 years ago

Seems to have some troubles opening large old solutions. I tried it and it just hangs and never responds with an error or anything. This is on an old aspnet solution with around 40 projects. Googling seems similar issues, but I haven't found a fix yet. I guess that's why you wait for revisions.

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