Senators close to finishing encryption penalties legislation: sources

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-legislation-idUSKCN0WB2QC

by aburan28 • 10 years ago

92 29 10 years ago

beedogs• 10 years ago

How could this legislation possibly pass constitutional muster? You're essentially forcing companies to create code for you.

Esau2• 10 years ago

We are all, evidently, deputized slaves of the state.

dbcurtis• 10 years ago

Feinstein has never let the constitution stand in her way.

mahyarm• 10 years ago

I always wondered what stopped the legislature passing laws that are unconstitutional, having it canceled a few years later by the supreme court and then passing a similar law again and having that take a few years in a large cycle. Unconstitutional laws basically become laws with informal sunsetting clauses.

Jach• 10 years ago

"John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"

The checks and balances the US has are generally pretty weak.

shadowfiend• 10 years ago

Often part of disputing the constitutionality of a law is requesting that the court considering it also temporarily put its enforcement on hold, as I understand it. If the court chooses to (and in a case where a law that was already basically ruled unconstitutional has been passed again, one assumes it would so choose), that law is simply ineffective until a final ruling is obtained. Naturally, you can appeal the decision to hold the law's enforcement, but the law is on hold unless and until a higher court overturns it.

marme• 10 years ago

it cant, the first company that gets asked to comply with this law will challenge it and it will be struck down. Past eaves dropping laws have only required that companies give the Feds access but they provide their own man power and resources. This is how NSA and others have employees with offices inside ISP datacenters. The ISPs merely provide them with full access to their datacenters but the government must provide all the workers who actually go through the data

lazaroclapp• 10 years ago

it cant, the first company that gets asked to comply with this law will challenge it

The first company with enough resources to endure a prolonged legal battle against the federal government, that is. What I wonder is what the response of the average 5 person startup with data on millions of users all over the world is going to be...

lawnchair_larry• 10 years ago

Because somehow people who don't even know what "code" means are in charge of technology for the country.

Esau2• 10 years ago

I really wish Dianne Feinstein would resign. She is consistently horrible.

kabdib• 10 years ago

I remember writing to her in Crypto Wars I. The response I got back from her staff was infuriating.

She will not be missed.

joering23• 10 years ago

I'm sure not the first one to ask -- can you share??

pstuart3• 10 years ago

I agree. She needs to have all of her personal information made public as an example of why nobody has anything to hide.

jschwartzi• 10 years ago

This kind of crap needs to stop if we want a civil society.

zipwitch• 10 years ago

Will she include a special provision in the bill, penalizing companies if they help the government spy on Congress? http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/politics/feinstein-cia-snoopin...

JumpCrisscross• 10 years ago

I really wish Dianne Feinstein would resign

There's talk of her retiring this year.

erikpukinskis• 10 years ago

Is she going to run again? She's up for re-election in 2018, but she'll be 85!! If she does run, now is the time to start building a strategy to try to stop that.

beau26• 10 years ago

This legislation reminds me that as crazy as people like Donald Trump are, there are equally crazy people already serving in our government.

joering23• 10 years ago

Uhm I don't think so.

I consider Mr. Donald a special case. Who would have had audacity to sue an airport over plane's noise... twice!

His Wiki read is really a material for a good movie. From over 150 lawsuits Mr. Trump is involved, the most hilarious seems to be his feud with Bill Maher.

Wiki does a better job at describing it...

Trump sued comedian Bill Maher for $5 million in 2013. Maher had appeared on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and had offered to pay $5 million to a charity if Trump produced his birth certificate to prove that Trump's mother had not mated with an orangutan. This was said by Maher in response to Trump having previously challenged Obama to produce his birth certificate, and offering $5 million payable to a charity of Obama's choice, if Obama produced his college applications, transcripts, and passport records. Trump produced his birth certificate and filed a lawsuit after Maher was not forthcoming, claiming that Maher's $5 million offer was legally binding. "I don't think he was joking," Trump said. "He said it with venom." Trump withdrew his lawsuit against the comedian after eight weeks.

thephyber2• 10 years ago

I don't think our legislators are "crazy", I just think they fall too far on one side of some values spectrum. In this case, Feinstein cares too much about national security and federal LEO tools and not enough about personal and data security.

shidmkdjrj• 10 years ago

The only answer to the illegitimate use of force is wide scale civil defiance.

Our government is corrupt and must be defied.

thephyber2• 10 years ago

Remember that this isn't law yet and it hasn't passed the scrutiny of the US court system.

joering23• 10 years ago

It would expose companies like Apple Inc.

Apple seems to shift taxes to more tax-friendly countries to avoid high taxes in US.

How much time before they figure how to move headquarters and their legal standing outside of US jurisdiction??

Vexs• 10 years ago

I'm kinda curious how tech companies are supposed to implement this. Send encryption keys to a central repo? If I encrypt a file, and store it on my phone, is phone manufacturer liable for it? I would assume not, but god knows how this law is written.

AKifer• 10 years ago

It's always like that when you deal with the State, first it gives you the freedom to argue and tries to convince you, if you don't, then a single piece of legislation is enough to coerce you.

Senators close to finishing encryption penalties legislation: sources

Related Stories