Run containers on bare metal already [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coFIEH3vXPw

by tdurden • 11 years ago

131 35 11 years ago

similar talk by the same guy: http://containersummit.io/events/sf-2015/videos/going-contai...

myztic• 11 years ago

Amusing Interview with Bryan Cantrill (regarding his background and he also shares some stories) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6XQUciI-Sc#t=06m06s

Also very informative (about what happened at Sun in the 90s, dtrace, ...)

Quite a funny and smart guy ;)

nemo2• 11 years ago

This talk of Cantril's was in the same vein, and also really amusing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc The "don't anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" bit was fantastic and made all the better by the fact that Oracle was a USENIX sponsor. That's also why this single talk had the disclaimer sidebar.

unoti• 11 years ago

The section of interest here about "Don't anthropomorphize Larry Ellison" starts around 33 minutes in.

dominotw• 11 years ago

I felt like i was watching a Silicon Valley standup.

exit• 11 years ago

did some moment in particular seem like a tv show to you?

baoha• 11 years ago

Is this guy high when delivering this talk?

Everlag• 11 years ago

Yes, high on the enjoyment of giving a well prepared talk to a large crowd mixed with the nervousness of putting practice into production.

Seriously, this is a fantastic talk.

muzmath• 11 years ago

It was a great talk and his high-energy delivery I think is a well welcomed change of pace compared to many tech conference speakers

staunch• 11 years ago

Millions of Linux-based OpenVZ containers, across hundreds of hosting companies, have been deployed over the last 10 years. It's the only container technology that gained widespread adoption across the industry.

Docker owes a lot of its success to the work the OpenVZ developers (and others) did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVZ

olefoo• 11 years ago

Having worked with both technologies... ( and a few others including Freebsd jails, xen vms and zones on Solaris)

Docker is a distinct improvement on a couple of levels.

Quicker to launch if your imageset is local. More tractable command set. Relatively bandwidth efficient.

dmourati5• 11 years ago

Ya, running a public cloud and competing against Amazon, I can see why he has so much angst about VMs. The reality is, the market wants what Amazon is selling and no amount of blasting VMs is going to undo that.

https://www.joyent.com/public-cloud/aws-comparison

The funny thing is he almost gets it right at the beginning of the talk about how Docker focused on the developer. That's what made Amazon successful.

Who is using Joyent?

https://www.joyent.com/about/customers

nrr3• 11 years ago

Who is using Joyent?

Folks for whom a business relationship with Amazon is not possible because of competitive reasons, for one. Regulatory compliance is another.

There're also some big names using Joyent (one of whom is a Fortune 1 company last I heard…) whose policies endorsing third parties are too restrictive to allow their trademarks to be used there.

hayksaakian• 11 years ago

Would that be walmart? i just googled 'fortune 1' and that was the first result

scribu2• 11 years ago

the market wants what Amazon is selling

You say that as if it's an immutable fact, as permanent as the laws of nature. Market demand changes all the time.

no amount of blasting VMs is going to undo that.

I wouldn't be so certain, especially if you have strong performance and ergonomic arguments to back you up. Even more so if you actually have a better alternative to offer.

dmourati5• 11 years ago

Strong opinion, weakly held. If you have any evidence to counter AWS cloud dominance please do share. Sources: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/05/28/gartn..., http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/194876/5-things-we-learned-a...

enos_feedler• 11 years ago

Nearly everyone who was ever disrupted had the exact the same attiude that you emit here. Blockbuster video probably thought "the market wants what we are renting! physical media ftw baby" fast forward and they are dead.

I'm being dramatic here and I obviously don't think amazon will die. But lets re-visit this post in 5 years and I bet AWS is selling a lot more bare metal. Because thats what the market will want.

AlexB138• 11 years ago

Cantrill is one of my favorite tech speakers. Brilliant guy, and much more down to earth than a lot of others on the circuit, not to mention great energy.

crudbug• 11 years ago

Read my mind !

MCRed• 11 years ago

Can someone give a TL/DR for this? I don't have 40 minutes to invest and the first few minutes didn't give me the impression it was going to be worthwhile.

But I would like to run containers on "Bare metal"... which for me right now means running containers under CoreOS (which is running on the bare metal... so no VMs.)

dmourati5• 11 years ago

Joyent chose BSD which does containers better than Linux and Cantrill is pissed that everyone chose Linux+VMs.

jclulow• 11 years ago

Joyent chose BSD which does containers better than Linux and Cantrill is pissed that everyone chose Linux+VMs

(Disclaimer: I sit next to Bryan at Joyent)

We chose _SmartOS_, a distribution of illumos -- itself a fork of the last drop of OpenSolaris before Oracle closed the gate. It is emphatically not a BSD, though Solaris has included aspects of at least AT&T UNIX and BSD (amongst other things) in its long and rich heritage.

sriram_malhar• 11 years ago

Solaris/Illumos/SmartOS (Joyent's O/S, Joyent being Cantrill's company that offers a public cloud like AWS), has built-in lightweight containers that have all the right isolation characteristics (esp. security)

Docker/CoreOS build upon Linux primitives for isolated name spaces, but security is a problem because of Linux's flawed implementation. But Docker is the flavor of the month, even though it is technically inferior to SmartOS's.

So they (Joyent, Cantrill's company) wrapped SmartOS with the docker remote API, so when you do 'docker ps', you see all the VMs in the entire data center. The whole cloud works as one machine.

gbraad• 11 years ago

Here is a TL/DR; in one word: Triton

doesnotexist• 11 years ago

Does this guy actually think he's funny? He really fails at humor straight out of the gate. It's hard to even focus on what he's trying to convey because his "humor" is so cringe worthy.

nrr3• 11 years ago

Having watched this talk, I must ask: With the allegory to the Vietnam War by way of Dien Bien Phu, what would be considered the toppling of Saigon by the Viet Cong?

jerrac• 11 years ago

So, are people doing something like running one container per vm?

I have yet to do more that run Docker's whalesay container, but I figured the obvious thing to do is to either use an entire blade with one OS on it, or provision a single, large, vm and run many containers.

If anyone feels like sharing, how do you deal with persistent data? Like mysql databases, uploaded files, logs, etc. I'll eventually be googling it, but figured it couldn't hurt to get pointed somewhere by people who have experience. :)

kennysabarese• 11 years ago

Is it realistic for the mass of Linux admins to switch over to SmartOS? Is fixing Linux containers realistic?

This is a serious question. It's a great talk, but how can we apply it apart from becoming a Joyent customer?

Run containers on bare metal already [video]

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