VW Emissions Issues Spread to Gasoline Cars [video]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-03/volkswagen-emissions-woes-deepen-as-800-000-more-cars-affected

by jinst8gmi • 11 years ago

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bloomberg.com

darklajid• 11 years ago

Autoplaying a (loud) video. Flagged, since I cannot add a warning otherwise.

jinst8gmi• 11 years ago

Warning added.

yuhong5• 11 years ago

Only CO2 emissions being different from originally claimed.

toomuchtodo3• 11 years ago

"Only".

EDIT: VW should be heavily penalized for their behavior. One might argue, "Its not a big deal. Its just environmental regulations." Would you feel the same way if they had submitted a stronger vehicle for crash testing and then proceeded to use lower strength materials for production vehicles? They're only people.

yuhong5• 11 years ago

The point that it is not the same thing as NOx emissions.

rasz_pl• 11 years ago

What about other manufacturers? Independent tests in europe showed EVERY SINGLE BRAND (including bmw) testing above legal limits.

lyschoening2• 11 years ago

The point is all they got out of this was lower taxes for their cars. The emissions weren't above any legal limits. That makes it a less serious crime. They're apparently earmarking about $2B for this.

jfmiller28• 11 years ago

Are we sure that this should not be Carbon Monoxide rather then Carbon Dioxide. CO2 is the ideal result of complete combustion of a hydrocarbon. The only way it can be too high is if the engine is burning more fuel then it should be. Are they cheating on their CAFE standards? Usually tail-pipe emissions are checked for unburnt hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen, and carbon monoxide.

csours• 11 years ago

I agree, this article is disappointingly light on details. CO2 is specifically regulated in Europe, separately from fuel consumption, so this could pertain to that.

Fuel consumption would be a very accurate proxy for CO2 production, unlike NOx, which strongly affected by vehicle processing, so it is really unclear what the cheat could possibly be.

yuhong5• 11 years ago

In this case, I think the numbers was simply wrong.

vlehto2• 11 years ago

CO2 is specifically regulated in Europe, separately from fuel consumption

It's a joke. They should have increased fuel taxes. But that was too unpopular, so we have mess of regulations. As a result you either want to have new car with very small engine, or very old car with big engine. No matter how much emissions you actually make.

tzs• 11 years ago

Are we sure that this should not be Carbon Monoxide rather then Carbon Dioxide

Volkswagen says CO2 on their news site [1].

http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/ne...

andor• 11 years ago

"Under the ongoing review of all processes and workflows in connection with diesel engines it was established that the CO2 levels and thus the fuel consumption figures for some models were set too low during the CO2 certification process. The majority of the vehicles concerned have diesel engines."

So the official fuel consumption numbers were reported too low, possibly as a result of the dyno cheating mode.

imissmyjuno• 11 years ago

“VW is leaving us all speechless,” said Arndt Ellinghorst, a London-based analyst with Evercore ISI.

Very valuable insight and addition ¬_¬. The article seems really set on painting VW in a desperate failing state.

trhway• 11 years ago

another couple of rogue engineers? or were it the same ones who just happened to change the specialization from diesel to gas? Or how about some fairies ... err ... hackers who hacked into the VW network and put the cheating codes into the engine software? I can't wait for the spin. Some PR agency specializing in crises will make a killing here :)

lyschoening2• 11 years ago

This is about under-reporting CO2 emissions on paper, which they happened to find while investigating the NOx scandal. It's not related to the engine software. The consequences of this should be purely financial—they will have to pay back tax incentives.

oska• 11 years ago

Reuters [1] and BBC [2] reports without autoplaying video.

[1] http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/11/03/uk-volkswagen-emiss...

[2] http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34712435

tonyedgecombe• 11 years ago

I can't believe this is just Volkswagen, how long before we find out other manufacturers have been doing the same.

yitchelle• 11 years ago

It is rather surprising for me that the tech crowd is surprised at this. This type of rigging has been going on for quite a while with bench marking of all things speed ie GPU, CPU, battery life etc. None of the models used would these bench marking would ever be close to real world situation. They are only good for comparing with the other.

VW Emissions Issues Spread to Gasoline Cars [video]

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