We don’t need a remote-controlled iKettle

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by edward • 11 years ago

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steckerbrett2• 11 years ago

The teasmade was such a whimsical device, though I prefer the completely mechanical version which did everything from lighting a burner next to your bed to pouring boiling water hopefully into a cup. http://www.inoutfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Teasmad...

cptnbob4• 11 years ago

Does it call 999/911 when it pours boiling water in your lap :)

cptnbob4• 11 years ago

100% this. I haven't found a genuine IoT device that is useful. They always remind me of this scene from The Fifth Element:

https://youtu.be/SnzzWGcdMqY

Literally ever device has dubious utility and security so far.

kaolinite2• 11 years ago

Bathroom scales that log your weight to your health app automatically.

Lights that dim when the movie starts.

A front door that unlocks when you approach.

None of these are necessary, obviously, but they offer little conveniences. An iKettle is pushing it a little, but honestly, I'd quite like to receive a tap on my wrist when the kettle has finished or my toast has popped up.

There's plenty of utility to be had from IoT devices (although you're right about security being a concern) however, like remote controls and robotic vacuums, initially they are being dismissed as tools for the lazy. Soon I suspect they'll be part of everyone's lives.

steckerbrett2• 11 years ago

All of these things sound like solutions that will take me a lot longer to set up than they will save me in time. A few years ago I messed about with "smart" lighting, and it turns out that all of it just unimaginably annoying. All of these "easy" devices are going to have horrific security, some day there's going to be articles about a doorknob botnet or exploits running on shovels.

aaron695• 11 years ago

Lights that dim when the movie starts.

How does it know you want the lights dimmed? What if someone in the room is reading? This would be pretty high level AI.

A front door that unlocks when you approach.

It has to know if you'll enter the house. What if you don't?

It could lock it again, but then what if someone else left the house assuming it was unlocked. Now they could be locked out.

These are hard problems to solve and more AI related.

krylon• 11 years ago

A front door that unlocks when you approach.

Mmmh, what could possibly go wrong with that?

I do not deny that there might be some useful applications for "IoT", but what I have heard / read about so far sounds mostly like solutions desperately looking for problems so everyone can ride the hype train.

Given the numerous security issues we have seen on the Internet so far, I have serious doubts about hooking up everyday objects or critical infrastructure to the Internet just for the sake of a little convenience.

pedalpete2• 11 years ago

I think it is the consumer IoT space which struggles for usefulness. In industry, IoT allows agriculture to use less water and get more yield, as well as monitoring civil infrastructure (roads, watermains, bridges, etc).

cptnbob4• 11 years ago

That's just embedded systems that have always been there though isn't it? Someone just stuck a marketing label on it.

TheOtherHobbes• 11 years ago

Consumer IoT in its current form is mostly a product of the O'Reilly Hype Machine - the machine that gave the world Web 2.0.

I get some use out of remote heating control. My hours are variable, so a dumb timer isn't ideal.

Lighting and the rest I have no interest in.

Useful consumer IoT is going to have to wait for useful consumer robotics, and that's 10-20 years away.

XorNot• 11 years ago

Consumer IoT is too expensive, not useless. Everything it can't do is a metric of the fact that computing on that scale actually isn't cheap enough.

Light control for example: people don't want to spend the $thousands it would cost to make it practical (i.e. every light in your house control) when the most common use-case it would solve is leaving your house and going "oh, I left the lights on - but click!". That's worth maybe $10 a light to me, not $70. Which in turn implies the wi-fi, compute and power has to cost cents, not dollars in the product.

acjohnson552• 11 years ago

Aren't you using the Web 2.0 right now though?

wisty• 11 years ago

I suppose a camera in a fridge would be handy, so you could have a peek at whether you were out of milk.

I believe there was a similar product, but you had to swipe product barcodes, to maintain a database. But I'm not the kind of person who keeps a database of the contents of my fridge, which might be why I'm the kind of person who forgets to buy milk.

My heuristic for coming up with that idea - when's the last time I called home, and ask someone to perform a simple task. Pet food dispensers might be another one. I guess a remote kill switch for irons, ovens, etc could be useful.

TheLoneWolfling3• 11 years ago

And then someone prevents you from running said oven until you pay them a ransom.

(Or just starts turning on peoples irons at random, if it can turn them on as well)

I personally think the security implications outweigh the potential benefits for most IoT devices. It's too bad, because the potential benefits are generally nice.

(And the other side is: I have no desire to "buy" a device that can have features remotely removed. It's why I ditched Windows, it's why I won't ever buy a Tesla or an iPhone, it's why I don't have any recent game consoles. And most IoT devices fall into this category. Among other reasons, it creates a perverse incentive for a company to break (intentionally or unintentionally) older models (or allow them to fall into disrepair) so that people will upgrade to this year's model.)

octatoan• 11 years ago

See "much needed gap". Also, RFC 2324, "Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP/1.0)". [1].

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324

jwdunne• 11 years ago

Yeah, a remote control iKettle sounds meh but a remote-control iKettle controlled by your iContact Lense, with the water fetched by a robot (can't be called iRobot unfortunately) sounds so much cooler.

To be honest, I used to want all of these things. What's changed my mind is that for every bit of money that comes into my life, hours of my life have been traded in some way. Why would I give up life hours for a gadget who's novelty will wear off within days when I'm perfectly able to fill a kettle or flick a light switch? Takes 2 mins.

I do think there are applications to providing independence to those less able. That's an important area to look into.

hippo8• 11 years ago

remote-control iKettle controlled by your iContact Lense, with the water fetched by a robot

Now that's a wonderful thought. This kettle sounds silly when I consider it in isolation, but if it was used along with other products which would then help automate an entire process that is just something I would throw my money at.

I mean come on, a "water boiling path finding tea making robot", doesn’t sound so bad :p

rwmj• 11 years ago

If you've got a robot that can fetch water, pretty much all other problems are solved. Particularly if it can understand a limited set of spoken commands like "make me a cup of tea".

Of course it could go horribly wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAswvg60FnY

astazangasta• 11 years ago

I favor Cheesoid: http://youtu.be/GzzOw2tmb3A

snitzr• 11 years ago

I can't remember who said it, but a customer buying a shovel is actually buying a hole. The customer doesn't care about the shovel he / she cares about solving a problem.

trumpete• 11 years ago

Marketing and Strategy 101

arjie2• 11 years ago

Dan Norman, in The Design of Everyday Things, quotes Harvard Business School professor Theodore Levitt as saying "People don't want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole!". Googling now, the quotation seems rather famous on its own.

nsns• 11 years ago

But wouldn't this quote only be true if said drill self-destructed after a single use?

ZeroGravitas2• 11 years ago

Great book (It's Don Norman BTW, rather than Dan), though thinking about the quote now, presumably the purchaser doesn't actually want a quarter-inch hole for its own properties, but has some further goal in mind that the hole lets them achieve and could peaked be achieved better without requiring a hole or a drill.

netcan• 11 years ago

I think this tidbit comes from advice given to salesmen, and I think its useful in that context but not true.

Bad salesmen get caught up in the product. Good ones usually focus on the person buying. Also, focusing on "the hole" gives a salesman more latitude to influence the buyer's reference products, prices and general buying psychology. This last point is only really important because people do not often buy holes, they buy shovels. In a buyer's mind, a shovel has price, some features, a lot of reference and comparison points. Holes don't. The involve labour and blisters and shovels and no point of reference. This is useful to a salesman.

Basically, people will have completely divergent prices they would be willing to pay to get a hole, depending on the instrument used to dig one for which they will be paying. This is the principle at work when a user won't pay a 99c for online content unless it meets some incredible standard, but will walk out of a newsagent with a stack of magazines without much of a fuss.

That's why there is a fundamental difference between selling an "online course" and an ebook, even if the content is similar. Books have a price. $200 is a very very expensive book (ripoff!), online courses don't have a defined price.

So... uhmmm I disagree sir! (glove slap, pistols at dawn, onlooking maidens) People do buy shovels.

tragomaskhalos2• 11 years ago

I would never dare to remotely activate my kettle, as I would never be sure enough that there was water in it. Nice nostalgia for the Teasmade though - the simpler more tea-obsessed Britain of my youth, before the invasion of US coffee chains, harking back to the war, when British troops would even brew tea under fire to get their 'fix'

Frondo• 11 years ago

I imagine a remote-controlled kettle could detect the water level, and simply disengage (or even send back a warning!) if there were insufficient water.

tragomaskhalos2• 11 years ago

You're right, and actually the article says that now I re-read it. Still no sale though !

Shivetya• 11 years ago

even perhaps have a simple connection to the water line similar to how refrigerators usually do for their ice makers.

evilduck• 11 years ago

Or just add a thermostat. If the temperature goes above boiling, turn off the heating element.

chrisseaton• 11 years ago

If there's a lull in battle today it's still appropriate to get a brew on. If your platoon is in reserve, you're in cover, and it's cold then definitely get a brew on. It's good admin to be warm and hydrated, and with something like a jet boil you can be done in 2 minutes.

jstsch• 11 years ago

Like the article says, get a Quooker - by far my most used kitchen appliance. Also good for your health to have an instant cup of tea always available.

ZeroGravitas2• 11 years ago

I don't drink hot drinks myself, but I did look into a boiling water tap when refitting my kitchen.

They win on usability, though not on efficiency, since they keep a pot of boiling water stored at all times in a insulated container.

Presumably this could be improved by connecting them to the internet and having them turn off when your Nest knows your house is empty, or your fitbit knows your asleep, but start to raise the temp as people enter the house or kitchen.

They could also connect to a smart grid and vary the stored heat within some parameters to help balance the grid (kettle boiling contributed to some of the biggest grid peaks in the UK, during advert breaks in popular television events).

coldcode• 11 years ago

I heard that British tanks in WW2 came with a kettle for making tea. It might be just a story but having British relatives it makes sense.

arethuza• 11 years ago

"Boiling vessels" have been a key component of most UK armoured vehicles since late in WW2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_vessel

reefab• 11 years ago

From the article's footnotes:

While on the subject of smartphone driven hardware, experience has shown me that software has a much shorter mean-time-to-obsolescence than hardware. Any gizmo that needs an app to make it work will have the service life of a bluebottle, as Apple’s planned obsolescence orphans the app with an iOS upgrade.

This has been my experience too and I wish manufacturers would remove the requirement on having an app to use/configure the device.

Because of that, I try to make sure that such devices I design provides a basic web interface that makes it possible to setup and use the device.

This is impossible or at least difficult if the device is powered by a 8-bit MCU but with the dropping prices of beefier MCU and linux-compatible SoC this shouldn't be an issue in the future.

Of course, there is also the issue of remote services that those devices often depends on, even if it's not exactly necessary sometimes.

We don’t need a remote-controlled iKettle

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