xedeon

Wrong.

You must be living in a cave. https://x.com/karpathy/status/2017296988589723767?s=20

You cannot deny that Tesla has not been selling as well as other EV manufacturers. You also cannot deny that Tesla has took a heavy beating internationally.

What other EV manufacturers are you even referring here? Do you even know the top 5 EV manufacturers in terms of global sales?

All I know is I'd never buy a Tesla. Having seen them up close, the quality control is clearly not priority one. Unacceptable for a vehicle at that price

You must be trolling. 'Having seen them up close' isn't a serious basis for an opinion on an any vehicle. Take a proper 24-hour test drive and then talk about build quality.

Toyota RAV4 seems to be the best selling car globally in 2025, not model y.

The data you're referring to is from Oct 2025 we're talking about the entire 2025 CY here.

Overall tesla models looks dated, quality is not great, ongoing safety issue with underwhelming responses, competition on the ev segment is just better on many points now.

That's your uninformed biased opinion. If it were even remotely true, the Model Y will not be the world's best selling car for 3 years in a row. Math and sales numbers don't lie.

You are clearly clueless about the current state of EVs. I'm willing to bet you haven't even driven or owned a Tesla or BYD. So you're uninformed at best.

"Hardly a logical reason for the stock to go up"

Surely this can't be a serious nor a logical statement so I'll have to assume it's a joke or engagement bait. Here are 3 that I can think off the top of my head.

1. Robotaxi TAM: Tesla's already running unsupervised Robotaxis (no safety driver) in Austin tests as of late 2025, with plans to expand cities in 2026 — that's not vaporware, it's early scaling of high-margin autonomy.

2. Cross-country FSD milestone? Legit: A Tesla owner just nailed 10,000+ intervention-free miles on FSD v14.2 coast-to-coast in Dec 2025, including parking and Supercharging — verified via telemetry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnLswbNB0SU

3. Model Y #1 for 3rd year? Tesla proudly claimed it in their 2025 recap as of the latest DEC 2025 data.

Stock still up ~11-25% in 2025 despite EV headwinds and ending of EV credits because the market prices in future upside: autonomy software margins, energy storage boom, Optimus, and robotaxi fleets. That's logical valuation, not "no reason."

Dismissing all that while cherry picking doubts is at best nothing but drivel.

I bought BYD stock in 2025 before split in the hope that their market dominance will translate to great returns. The stock has pretty consistently traded down since then. Meanwhile Tesla stock soared purely on the air coming out of Elon’s mouth.

Interesting take there. Tesla Model Y is the #1 best-selling car globally in 2025 for the third year.

Meanwhile, your BYD is bleeding from real price wars and demand slumps. Tesla's valuation? Still baked in autonomy, energy, and AI upside not just car volume. Calling it "air" while hyping your own wishful dominance is nothing but peak projection.

This reminds me of

https://github.com/progrium/envy

https://vimeo.com/131329120

You must have misread:

*Key word* is “alternative” which is what I alluded to. It fits most of the use cases of the *Kei* class of vehicles and the price is really attractive.

Yeah, but that's an EV with a base price of $49,999, whereas the Hi-lux is around $10-12K. That's coming from someone who has been an all-EV household since 2017.

Key word is “alternative” which is what I alluded to. It fits most of the use cases of the Kei class of vehicles and the price is really attractive.

I was also referring outside of the Japanese domestic market. Which the Hilux Champ is slated to be released.

The upcoming Toyota Hilux Champ is a modern alternative to the venerable Kei Truck.

https://www.motor1.com/news/701958/toyota-hilux-champ-cheap-...

I really hope Toyota brings it to the U.S. it will sell like hotcakes. I really like the modularity aspect the most.

ggshield from GitGuardian has been great for us.

Their free service can also auto detect and notify you of leaked secrets, passwords or high entropy lines from your online repos.

https://github.com/GitGuardian/ggshield

This was just a few hours ago too:

Tire falls off United plane after takeoff from SFO

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/united-p...

I think in this case, SpaceX engineers know more about material science than a rando HN user.

Fluff piece?

https://www.theautopian.com/exclusive-tesla-cybertruck-facto...

Loud and wrong: https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/finding-the-right-car/...

That’s more of a dessert isn’t it? Onigiri are typically savory.

A closer comparison would be pusô or tamu from Cebu. Also known as “hanging rice”.

While pusô itself usually contains plain rice, it is often eaten with savory dishes or as part of a larger meal.

With ICE I don't have to worry about any of that.

You don’t really do that with EVs either. The navigation system takes all of that into account, including live metrics such as temperature, wind, weather, and elevation. It takes the guesswork out of non-trivial tasks.

The only valid issue is the poorly maintained Electrify America chargers for non-Tesla EVs.

But that’s about to change in the U.S., since pretty much everyone is adopting the NACS/SAE J340 Standard. This will make them compatible with Tesla Superchargers.

Apps like ABRP also exist, which are even compatible with level 2 charging:

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

Buddy, you started this thread calling me "intellectually dishonest".

Because you were and it must have struck a nerve. :)

So don't start crying about "healthy discourse" now.

But I thought "itsoktocry" is that not true anymore?

You're just making things up.

I made all of these headlines up?

https://news.google.com/search?q=Tesla%20accident

Find me the same amount of headlines where another make/model of the vehicle involved in a serious accident is mentioned on the headline itself.

Tesla zealots are so thick.

What a very nice and compelling ad hominem argument. It's clear that you're very uninformed.

Yes, it's all a big conspiracy

Questioning about a possible bias is conspiracy talk now? What ever happened to healthy discourse? It seems the level of your knowledge does not go beyond the news headlines.

A perfect and most recent example.

Claim: "The nav calculated estimations tend to be very accurate"

Do we know it doesn't cheat?

Then the nav won't be accurate then would it? Also: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregory-pannone-3a414610/

Milton was sentenced to jail because he was found guilty of one count of securities fraud and two counts of wire fraud. That's why.

Also, from your linked article:

"One of the experts, [Gregory Pannone], co-authored a study of 21 different brands of electric vehicles, published in April by SAE International, an engineering organization. The research found that, on average, the cars fell short of their advertised ranges by 12.5% in highway driving. The study did not name the brands tested.."

The study did not name the brands tested..

I was curious why that is. So I did some digging and found this very reassuring info. I'm sure there's no bias right?

[Gregory Pannone]

-Sr. Engineer General Motors

- Engineer/Intern Engineer/Intern BP p.l.c. British multinational oil and gas

- FCA Fiat Chrysler Automobiles logo Head of Fuel Economy, Performance, and P/T Synthesis Chrysler LLC

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregory-pannone-3a414610/

Yes, and? If that was their claim, there'd be nothing to talk about.

That's not even close to reality and not intellectually honest. It's a fact that anything with "Tesla" on the headline gets clicks. A Tesla gets t-boned by another vehicle and the next day will get headlines like:

"Telsa involved in a serious accident" While make/model of other accidents is never mentioned in other accidents even when there's a fatality.

What does a new EPA testing methodology going into effect have to do with Nikola again?

Comparing Trevor Milton to Elon Musk is also wild. I still vividly remember the Tesla short seller crowd praising Milton as a genius while declaring Elon as a charlatan.

"The entire infotainment system is a HTML 5 super computer," Milton said. "That's the standard language for computer programmers around the world, so using it let's us build our own chips. And HTML 5 is very secure. Every component is linked on the data network, all speaking the same language. It's not a bunch of separate systems that somehow still manage to communicate."

- Trevor Milton

Source: https://www.truckinginfo.com/330475/whats-behind-the-grille-...

Tesla oversells and under delivers on many things. Range is one and the other big one...

Isn't it illegal to overstate official EPA results? Maybe I'm missing something here.

Moreover, this affects ALL 2024 model year battery electric vehicles. There is a 6-page document here that explains it:

https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=55592&fla...

This was enacted in 2022 but goes into effect this year:

This new policy is applicable to new testing for 2024 model year and later vehicles. It may be applied to new testing for 2023 model year vehicles. *Vehicles utilizing carry-over data may continue to use data generated under previous policy* for as long as the tests are valid (i.e., no changes to the vehicle requiring new MPGe/range testing are required). *Manufacturers who add a new configuration to a test group for 2024 and later must present new test results using this policy*, but existing data can still be used if it is representative".

The ‘recall’ mentioned here is just a voluntary Over-the-air software update by Tesla; Through: "increasing the prominence of visual alerts on the user interface".

The headline is being purposefully misleading. There is no ‘lie’ that is ‘exposed’ in here, just an update.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V838-8276.PDF