vibrunazo

Thanks a lot for the through response. That was very helpful!

Since you were already at Amazon, I assume you compared Firebase to AWS Lambda? Could you tell us why did you end up prefering Firebase?

I thought of doing that many times. But decided it would be better to just wait for Haswell. We're not far from an era where we have CPUs that are both powerful and mobile. Just wait for them.

Good point. Android is ahead of Web apis, and Google have been adding android apis to the Web for a while (example intents). They just need to keep doing that until there's 1:1 feature parity, so we can develop apps for either one or the other as if they were the same. And the same apps would work predictably on both.

That's a merge.

How could we compare then?

It's an i5 processor, 2 cores at 1.8ghz. New generation arm processors, for example the tegra 4, is quad core at 1.9ghz.

Wouldn't it be both more powerful and have more battery life, if it had waited for the tegra 4? Or am I missing something?

> I thought this was a board full of hackers.

Complete opposite. This board is full of people interested in startups and looking to get a better grasp of technology. But only a tiny minority here actually code, if you're looking for that you should probably try a more specific coding board or group.

Also, people around here are obsessed with, what they call "playing devil's advocate" or "offering a counter point". Which, in other parts of the planet would be called "trolling". But here that's encouraged as long as the post is well formatted enough to not immediately remind you of reddit.

Put those 2 together and it's very easy to understand the illogical negative posts on the top. It's just people trolling without technological insight. In fact, you'll hardly find any thread about a new technology on HN, which the top post isn't contrarian.

Usually I would agree. But as long as it's open source and you can install it yourself on any nexus device. Then you can solve that yourself.

You should try: http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!forum/gmail

If you click on each sub-forum, you can see from the official response icon column, on the right. That most of the threads do get an answer. That's far from non-existent. I think their big failure here, has been to poorly communicate how people can get help, most don't know about the forums.

Name is almost as good as a great Brazilian django course, by the genius Henrique Bastos, called Welcome to the django: http://welcometothedjango.com.br

FYI, the name of this logical fallacy is "poisoning the well".

"He made X before, so Y must be Z"

I cannot test it myself. But there are many people in the comments saying it doesn't work on co.uk either. Maybe it was only working when the uk version was outdated.

We have been through this many times before here. This is meant to prevent forks that break compatibility. Like that chinese company that made their "own" phone OS. That was just a fork of Android, but not perfectly compatible with the Android SDK. It causes fragmentation in the sense that it forces developers to rewrite apps for it because there are differences in the SDK.

Amazon, Cyanogen, OUYA etc are all fine.

Posting just to bookmark it.

In his defense, he did say "near" :)

The official hangout about the announcement is still going on btw:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/115750270177636397262/posts/HBof...

One latest thing they just said, is that "ubuntu for phones" and "ubuntu for android" are 2 separate projects going on in parallel. So they're not abandoning ubuntu for android. Instead, they view that as a gateway to the ubuntu world, which would hopefully get more people into ubuntu for phones. As you can see, the official website still have tabs for both ubuntu for android and for phones:

http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/

They had a working prototype that would run Android and Ubuntu side by side. Would work as a standard Android phone. But when you dock it to the desktop, it's a 100% capable Ubuntu computer, sharing resources with Android. That was perfect. It's the best of both worlds, I'm sure it would be a huge hit. Leverage both the Android mobile ecosystem + Linux desktop at once? That was genius. But instead they chose the greedy path and try to control all of it themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv1Z7bf4jXY

edit: I just learned that Ubuntu for Android was not abandoned. It's still a separate project. They wanna release Ubuntu for Android first in mid 2013. And hopefully that will be a gateway to get Android users interested in the Ubuntu Phone which will launch in 2014.

http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android

Here's their developer site: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/

From what it looks like, I'd need to redesign my apps from ground up using QML. They could have leveraged Android apps ecossystem, like Amazon, OUYA and even BB10 are doing. But chose not to. Out of nothing other than greed. And for that one reason, I predict dead on arrival.

Edit: Just had an Ubuntu community manager answer my question on their official g+ hangout. And confirmed that indeed. You'd have to redesign apps for it from scratch in QML. Nor are they planing to make Android apps compatible, nor easy to port in any way. Oh well, I'm certainly not gonna waste my time developing for yet another platform. Goodbye.

But aren't things like road signs in mph defined by law?

I'm Brazilian, I live a few miles from an area (Mata Atlântica) where most of the original rain forest was destroyed to grow european pineapples (it's better for paper because it grows faster, the native trees take literally centuries to grow). This is what you read about as "managed woodland". Much of the fauna and flora that existed here a few decades ago are now only found in books or zoos.

I can see the evidence to help me decide by literally looking at the window.

You just fed a troll with troll candy!

I always forget what the difference is, so I always go back to this same wikipedia page to remind me of the differences:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Dif...

You can click around on each source, and they have an explanation of how each source get their numbers and adjust them. It's very insightful to understand the differences in measurement. For example:

> StatCounter statistics are directly derived from hits (not unique visitors) from 3 million sites using StatCounter totaling more than 15 billion hits per month.[17] No weightings are used.

> Net Applications bases its usage share on statistics from 40,000 websites having around 160 million unique visitors per month. The mean site has 1300 unique visitors per day. On 1 August 2009, Net Applications began weighting its raw data based on the number of internet users in the countries concerned, using data from the CIA ; the changes were applied retroactively to older data.

Kick starter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

Again, you'd have a hard time coming up with empirical data to support the hypothesis that Hollywood movies wouldn't exist without copyright enforcement. That's speculation with zero evidence.

> I said we wouldn't have big budget Hollywood films.[...]Well, it's the copyright system that makes those products viable.

You'd have a tough time coming up with empirical data to support that hypothesis.

I lost count how many times I wasted my precious money on an expensive movie ticket, on the fanciest theater around, for a heavily hiped movie. Just to walk out pissed off at how could they make it so bad. I'm sure so have you! So there is already the risk of losing your investment on crap today. I honestly don't see the difference :-P

Where would you draw the line between culture and entertainment. And why?

> It is however hard to know if it is overall better for society.

Really? Have tried to stop and think about the pros vs cons? I would be surprised if someone did, and didn't conclude it's heavily in the pirate bay's favor. The pros are it makes it easier for people to access art. The primary con would be one weaker revenue channel for some artists. But there are so many means to fund arts. Specially in the kick stater era. Arts are still being funded, not only that. Are finding new brilliant ways to get funded. And on the other side, accessing art is easier than ever.

It's just an obvious smashing win for the pirate bay. I mean, just look at how easy it is to access art today. Versus I don't think anyone would argue it's any harder to create arts today. Quite the opposite.

Neither are available in most countries.

> countries that actually try to protect their citizens rights and privacy

O.O

> Google is an advertising company

And Microsoft is trying as hard as they can to be one. Google doesn't put ads on their OS, Microsoft does on it's OS that you already paid for. Aren't they treating you as a paying product then?

> transparent

Oh, c'mon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Penn