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tiffani

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Executive Director at The Human Utility W15 (formerly known as the Detroit Water Project). Rails hacker. Opinionated.

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www.nytimes.com 8y ago

Some Things About Tech Were Good in 2017. No, Really

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www.theatlantic.com 9y ago

A Bot That Can Tell When It's Really Donald Trump Who's Tweeting

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www.slashgear.com 9y ago

A Mercedes self-typing AI typewriter

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microcapclub.com 9y ago

Warren Buffett's Net Worth by Age

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techcrunch.com 11y ago

(YC W15) the Detroit Water Project Connects Donors to Unpaid Water Bills

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bryce.vc 14y ago

FDIC for Startups

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www.vanityfair.com 15y ago

Groupon Therapy

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news.cnet.com 15y ago

Fetchmob resembles a crowdsourced Kozmo

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www.farnamstreetblog.com 15y ago

How Apple is brilliantly using a 100-year-old persuasion strategy

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uxmag.com 15y ago

Onboarding: Designing Welcoming First Experiences

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www.hakiri.org 15y ago

Was Huxley right?

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well.blogs.nytimes.com 15y ago

Phys Ed: Does Music Make You Exercise Harder?

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www.vanityfair.com 15y ago

Betting on the Blind Side

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www.benmillen.com 16y ago

IPhone Deconstruction as Tube map (2009)

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rosettacode.org 16y ago

Rosetta Code

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www.barbiemedia.com 16y ago

Barbie Gets to be a Computer Engineer

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twellwishes.com 16y ago

Ask HN: Rate my startup - TwellWishes - Well wishes and virtual gifts on Twitter

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jnd.org 16y ago

Technology First, Needs Last

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www.contrast.ie 16y ago

Reasons to Drop NDAs

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37signals.com 16y ago

Step one is admitting you have a problem

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venturehacks.com 16y ago

10 skills I look for before writing a check

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www.squareup.com 16y ago

Squareup

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notepod.net 16y ago

Notepod: The sketchbook for your app ideas

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37signals.com 16y ago

Design Explorations by 37signals

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konigi.com 16y ago

Confirming Passwords Is Annoying: Is There a Better Way?

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www.chess.com 16y ago

Chess Generates Silicon Valley Wealth?

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www.economist.com 16y ago

Vehicle telemetry: Calling all cars

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bnoopy.typepad.com 16y ago

Bnoopy: Persistence Pays, Part 2

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blogs.wsj.com 16y ago

Behind the Scenes of China's iPhone Apps - Digits - WSJ

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We call them back.

I run The Human Utility (formerly the Detroit Water Project) and we help folks with their water bills. When they reach us, they're used to dealing with other social service agencies that aren't very responsive and don't do something as basic as ever calling them back. We do and we find that people are grateful even for that.

Edit: People are happy to hear from us regardless of whether we actually help with their bills. If we say we can't, at least they know to try elsewhere and can do so fairly quickly.

Founder here.

Yes, every utility has this problem.

"I don't think this is a good solution to this problem."

Why? Why isn't giving people money (direct to the utility, as we never hand people we help the funds) to get their water turned back on when they've gone for weeks without running water not a good solution? When you encounter someone in that situation, what would you suggest?

"Many of the customers get shut off and then immediately pay their bill along with the penalties."

That's often true, but what many people (including yourself and, oddly, staff at utilities) don't consider is that these people are often robbing Peter to pay Paul. We've got people skimping on medication and food they need in order to keep their utilities on. So, yes, they may pay as soon as the water is shut off, but there's often a trade-off.

"This is often cyclical with the same people getting shutoff every couple months. Appears to me to be administrative."

This also does happen, but talking to hundreds of families with difficulties paying their water bills, you start seeing patterns. A pattern of multiple shut-offs is usually indicative of some other deeper problem(s). There are people who are between jobs. There are people who've had their hours at work cut. There are people on fixed incomes where even the smallest fluctuation in the water bill (or another bill) can prevent them from paying in full. They pay what they can, but arrearages build up, and next thing you know, service is disconnected.

One of the things we're going to begin working with Detroit and Baltimore to do better is pick up on these signals and act. Prevention is always better than treatment.

Also, if you consider where we work (Detroit and Baltimore), these aren't exactly places teeming with amazing employment opportunities for many of the people we serve (the elderly, single parents already juggling multiple jobs, people with minimal education, etc.). Obviously, a stable job is a big part of consistently paying your bills. You can hold all the budgeting classes you want, but good luck getting people there who barely have the funds to keep their families afloat to sign up. Not having enough to make ends meet is not always the result of poor budgeting.

And yes, illegal service restoration does have the potential to damage equipment, but when your customers have to resort to that, it's indicative that your utility has failed to look after especially vulnerable customers. Detroit is especially odd with respect to indigent customers as they don't have a program to assist low-income customers with a discount or the like. Same goes for the elderly. Baltimore has a discount for the elderly, at least.

Thanks for the comment. Yes, there are programs in place that help people with their bills. They've a number of problems, however. Some ran out of funds and couldn't help any more people. What's interesting about those programs is that a few (including the Detroit Water & Sewerage Department itself) started referring people to us. Others (such as state-run programs) moved too slowly to prevent shut-offs.

Yes, there are people who simply choose not to pay their bills. When we determine that's the case with an applicant, they don't get assistance. Simple.

On top of that, we provide one-time assistance, so there isn't an opportunity to just decide to lean on us and stop paying a bill.

I'm not against people getting medical treatments if they need them, but why call what we're doing "goofy"?

The single mother of three we helped who was contemplating forgoing her heart medication to make sure her children had water (and lost it anyway because she needed her heart medication) wouldn't call this "goofing around."

I'm genuinely interested in why you insist on framing this that way.

Edit: Nothing that we're doing suggests we value some lives over others. Watsi helps a specific demographic, we help another. Everyone wins here.

From talking to hundreds of people over the course of running this project, in many cases, what we have is not a failure to organize one's life. Instead, it's life events such as being laid off or having a medical issue get out of hand and force a person to leave work and forgo a salary that cause people to fall behind and need assistance.

In other cases, people are in situations where they're not earning enough to cover all of their life expenses, but the water department itself has turned them down for assistance. We see their attempts to do the best they can in their payment patterns. $25 here, $50 there as soon as they can.

These are not people that sit around actively looking for handouts. And many people we've helped have volunteered to help us however they can.

Founder of Detroit Water Project here. Despite what you’ve said, this is a serious effort to do good. You mention saving a life versus contributing to a water bill. Why are those so dissimilar? Our assistance application data shows that over 350 children are in houses affected by this crisis.

Not having running water at your house is a real problem. It’s a public health and sanitation issue. People have not been able to flush their toilets, clean, cook, or exist in a state of dignity.

On top of that, without running water in a house in Detroit, a house can be ruled unfit for habitation. That can translate to children being removed from the home because they're in a dwelling unfit for habitation. Preventing families from being broken up isn't goofing around.

It’s a false dichotomy to say that you either save a life by helping a child in a poor country OR give to a water bill in the United States. You can do both in proportion to your ability.

Yes, these people are citizens of a wealthy and powerful nation, but we’ve already seen that it’s allowed them to suffer greatly. The City of Detroit itself—especially before we forced them to react—turned people off with very little regard to someone’s ability to pay.

You should volunteer to help us return phone calls to people that need help. If you do, I’m sure you’ll find that this is as serious a project as any!

Edit: On losing children, etc.

But, seriously, what else is different? If I'm looking at it as if it's a Fancy or Svpply clone, I'm not going to go as far as signing up to add anything.

One way I see these kinds of sites is as wishlists and thus, it makes sense to have just one site I use--unless there's something compellingly different.

The War For Talent 15 years ago

If they expect you to work in that one spot more than anywhere else, the Aeron might be the most important thing you get! Nothing worse than a cheap, (eventually) painful chair. :|

I think that article is wayy off and the title of this thread is teetering in the same direction. Nothing about that article explicitly says anything about women being "unwilling" to contribute to Wikipedia.

I used to spend a lot of time editing and contributing to certain articles, but notice what I said, "spend a lot of time." Sure, you can quickly fix spelling and grammatical errors, but to really do anything useful on the site takes more time. I'd easily spend a few hours a week (depending on what else I had to do) during college editing articles.

But, for every woman that has time to do that, there are plenty that don't (think of women who still operate according to traditional gender expectations--taking care of family, etc.). This is not to say that men don't have other demands on their time, however. The author misses the mark entirely when it comes to that aspect, though. You'd only know that if at some point you've spent any time contributing at all. I'd have to wonder if the author ever has...

Plus, I don't think we should be so quick to throw gender on top of everything as a reason why something has or hasn't happened. I could be wrong, but I really don't believe that the average Wikipedia visitor even really pays attention to who wrote any given article, much less going so far as to find out whether they were a male, female, or any variant.

I think some of my better ideas have come from just wanting to solve problems--either mine or those of friends, family, or co-workers. Those ideas always seem so much better than anything I just sit down and come up with based off what I think would make a lot of money yet is a stupid idea fundamentally. Plus, ideas that solve some problem seem as if they're easier to stick with (for me, at least).

As a black person (and a woman, ha!), I can say there is a similar double whammy for us. In addition to the competence double whammy, there's the one about being too assertive (for women)--the infamous "angry black woman."

Hadn't started implementing any systems yet, but earlier this year I ordered these and they've been ultra-educational at least for figuring out how to get started, vocabulary, etc.:

High-Frequency Trading: A Practical Guide to Algorithmic Strategies and Trading Systems http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470563761

Inside the Black Box: The Simple Truth About Quantitative Trading http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470432063

Quantitative Trading: How to Build Your Own Algorithmic Trading Business http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470284889

"Watch your mouth." and "Wait your turn." Perhaps, it's something girls are harassed about more than guys, but until I stopped following that "advice" (early college), things were quite mediocre for me.