throwaway1194

Everyone is entitled to their views, but yours are so misguided that you need some serious self-awareness that "Open Source is Not About You" [1] before spreading more of your toxic entitlement.

Exactly, that's why I support Free Software, not "Open Source".

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.en....

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point....

I don't care, you are here throwing tantrums and name-calling like a 5 year old while my comments are being downvoted at the same time. I told you what my views about SerenityOS, Ladybird and Andreas are and you insist I'm wrong and ignorant while I never called anyone any names here.

You also say that I'm entitled, ok let's see who's the one crying on X about the Linux Foundation funding other projects than his own:

https://x.com/awesomekling/status/1877438066190622874#m

Look, it's fine if you like him and his projects, I don't because I know it's all about the money, he should have stayed working at Apple.

And again: I'm not going to spend my time nor resources to support someone who already displayed signs of betrayal to his community.

The SerenityOS community was fractured, all because of his selfish ambitions.

The only ones who wasted time are the SerenityOS contributors themselves with the bait-and-switch, I'm really not interested to hear about his sob story about why he started it when he has shown that he doesn't care about anyone else but himself, takes everyone for granted and replaces the project unilaterally while killing the OS essentially.

Andreas did not change his mind about SerenityOS

He did, how much do you want to bet that if he were to do it all over again he would go straight to the browser work and skip the OS project?

That's why he doesn't even talk about it anymore, he even removed it as a target in Ladybird.

It's clear that he got burned by his own decisions.

I don't care what you think about me or not, I don't hate SerenityOS and I wish that project well, but I think they should reconsider their stance on third party libraries.

Well, sway is not a desktop environment...

You are the one assuming things wrongly about me, you know absolutely nothing about what I know and don't.

Am I not allowed to say anything anymore? I know what SerenityOS is and what it's trying to do, I just think it's unreasonable and a waste of effort.

Andreas himself changed his mind about reusing third party libraries in Ladybird, SerenityOS should do the same.

SerenityOS has no business running on Linux, but a fork could be pretty neat for 90s GUI lovers.

Take a look at labwc, the look and feel is similar to Openbox and can be made to look retro-like.

Xfce will also come with Wayland support in the next version or so I hear.

I don't get the Sway comment about being barebones, it's a tiling compositor, it does what it should do.

I'm glad that you weren't there as the self-proclaimed arbiter of real impact™ when I started writing it. :)

So? I achieved things of my own as well, some of which I'm very proud of, but I don't go online belittling others acting as "holier than thou" to bring my point across, which you apparently do, I doubt you are as important as you claim to be.

Then it would be just another Linux distro of which there are 100s already.

No, it would be a Wayland compositor, which could be made to run on Linux or the BSDs.

This is a great environment to rapidly prototype new UI features, like it was the first time I saw an OS able to open UI folders and Applications from `ls` output in a terminal.

There's nothing special about this, Enlightenment did it on Linux many years before Serenity even existed.

https://www.enlightenment.org/about-terminology.md

but it's only targeted for the hobbyist developers building the OS to use and has no plans on becoming an OS for mainstream adoption.

It's such a shame because it could be a great Wayland compositor, and the features you mention could be made to work as a desktop environment.

Why spend years reinventing the wheel when others already did the hard work that they won't be able to replicate in the first place?

It's their time, sure. And they can do wherever they want but it's still wasted effort, whether people admit it or not.

Not even the BSDs are able to compete with Linux on driver's support, what makes people think SerenityOS could?

I also hardly doubt the SerenityOS people don't have any expectations to get at least some adoption, they're wasting their time with their current strategy.

Serenity's existence is purely for pleasure purposes

These projects misdirect talented individuals from impactful work.

What's the point, if they ultimately collapse due to the unsustainable nature of solely pleasure-driven endeavors?

This wasted effort is particularly frustrating considering that vital open-source projects, crucial for real-world applications, are struggling to survive due to critical lack of contributors.

It's infuriating to witness this neglect.

not everything is about practicality

I hate to say it but if they're not thinking in practical terms, they're dead in the long run.

SerenityOS's WindowServer is actually more usable than Wayland

I find that very difficult to believe, how exactly is it more usable? Serenity would benefit a lot sitting on top of a Linux kernel in my opinion.

Just refactor SerenityOS, take its DE and make it a Wayland compositor, stop reinventing the wheel. Ladybird realized this, why can't SerenityOS do the same?

Use whitespace more. In both directions.

What does that mean?

Alyssa for FSF's president.

“I'm still working on it. It's been 25 years. I can do this for another 25. I'll wear them down.” —Linus Torvalds

“There are three musts that hold us back: I must do well. You must treat me well. And the world must be easy.” —Albert Ellis

Even now in 2024 btrfs is one of the slowest Linux filesystems, and it does not take long to find reports of ongoing data corruption issues.

Please stop spreading FUD, this is simply not true.

I would argue that most problems that people experience with btrfs today are because of hardware issues, btrfs is simply detecting those errors thanks to checksumming.

Yes, it is slower than other filesystems and RAID 5/6 is still unstable but blaming btrfs for everything is simply wrong.

Why the downvote?

Does anyone know what the default colorscheme is on wezterm?

Try it on Asahi next.

I don't know how and why people still take this guy seriously, let alone throw money at his projects.

Andreas has demonstrated time and time again that he can't keep his word. He says one thing and does things differently.

That wouldn't be too much of a problem if he didn't accuse others of what he is guilty of, toxicity.

He is also known for bashing other projects to promote his own. I would go help Servo instead. Ladybird isn't going anywhere, same as SerenityOS.

I think that makes some sense for performance, too: people run databases where IO efficiency eventually translates to money saved every month, and then we desktop users benefit from many of those as well.

Indeed, that's a huge advantage of Linux, the fact that we all run the same Linux kernel and benefit from improvements coming from all directions.

Linus himself mentions this advantage here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&t=2330

There's a nice recent benchmark here (Bcachefs vs. Btrfs vs. EXT4 vs. F2FS vs. XFS): https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-611-filesystems

Bcachefs is starting to look really good against Btrfs, no APFS or ZFS though, but still interesting nonetheless.

Linux handles USB devices a lot better than other systems, it also has built-in drivers for pretty much every hardware out there. I'm not surprised.

According to statscounter statistics. As of July 2024 Linux is currently sitting at an all-time high of 4.45%!

This is a 91% increase since June 2024 and if the trend continues we should break 5% soon, hopefully breaking off the single digit mark in the not so distant future.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing!

Doesn't that performance vary wildly between the different Linux filesystems?

To some degree it does, I'd say it depends a lot in your use case.

Linux is still going to feel snappy because of other optimizations though, even with a slow disk and filesystem.

The way Linux manages RAM is also important as everything is cached by default.

Using Fedora on this hardware feels super snappy. File system operations are shockingly fast. Compiling software seems much faster than on macOS, though I did not benchmark this. My hunch is that the process management is a bit slower in macOS, due to the Mach / XNU underpinnings. 3D graphics performance is good too.

I'm glad that people are starting to notice this, Linux has been great for file system operations for a long time now.

I have a theory about why that is, and I think it's because of Linus Torvalds' obsession with performance, this is why git is so fast as well.

Torvalds has said multiples times that he is a performance centric person and it shows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA&t=1335s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjIPv8a0hU8&t=3027s

I also believe that it's going to be impossible to beat Linux in the performance game as time goes on, because things like io_uring and similar optimizations are just going to make other systems pale in comparison.

I strongly suspect that what AI will end up doing is push companies and organizations towards open source, they will eventually realize that code is already being shared via AI channels, so why not do it legally with open source?

I get that in abstract improvements "could" trickle down from that but once again without any performance benchmarks that is the definition of speculation.

Fair enough, I am not sure whether CPU schedulers are shared across architectures, I am also not aware of any recent benchmarks other than: https://www.phoronix.com/review/apple-m2-zen4-mobile

Where I was going with my original statement/post is that I wouldn't be surprised to see Linux doing better in some benchmarks due to improvements in the kernel, there has been many recent developments such as io_uring[0], MGLRU, etc. that could make a difference compared to other systems.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-IWMbJXoLM&t=1004s