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Founder RankedVote (https://www.rankedvote.co) Formerly CEO & Co-founder Payable (YC S14) acquired by Stripe.

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I found The Politics Industry by Katherine Gehl super enlightening and well-researched on this very idea (https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Industry-Political-Innovatio...). The basic premise is that the current "market dynamics" of Politics (when viewed like any other industry) actively disincentivizes results. Painting with a somewhat broad brush, it doesn't making sense for a politician to make progress on immigration reform because that lessens its saliency for raising money and turning out the base.

The solution proposed is a combination of "Final-Five" open primaries with ranked-choice voting in the general election. This is what just happened in Alaska and is on the ballot in Nevada in November.

Which reminds me...if you're a Nevada voter, vote YES on ballot question 3!

Hehe...a bunch of Nate Cohn's in your friend group? :-)

In the event multiple choices have the same number of votes and those choices are the lowest vote getters in the round, RankedVote calculates a Borda Score for each of those candidates across all ballots that were cast. Basically just saying "Ok, these three candidates were tied, which one was ranked lowest on average across the entire group of voters?" And then eliminate that one.

On #1 -- It could be, but trying to stay narrowly focused. There are some great services out there like OpaVote that do a wide array of voting options and calculation methods.

On #2 -- That's a great point. And one that hopefully people start to better understand by using RankedVote and seeing all the "Rounds" happen at once. But, yeah, for many it's a new term. How would you make it more clear?

Thanks for the kind words!

And, you're exactly right. The online world of people specifically interested in tools for ranked-choice voting is quite small. The question I'm trying to answer is what use cases does ranked-choice voting work better than other existing survey/polling options? That way, someone could be looking for a solution to that specific problem. Right now, most of RankedVote's users are already aware of RCV and then try to apply that in some scenario at work where a simple voting tool would have been the alternative.

Thanks! And I hadn't come across Poller before. Pretty cool. FYI - RankedVote actually uses a type of Borda Count as its tiebreaking mechanism. Not quite what you're saying, but is better than picking a name out of a hat!

You bring up a lot of interesting points on what people feel happy with after voting. None of these systems is perfect. Each can be picked apart in various ways. That's why I tend to frame things in terms of "does this move things forward from the status quo?"

Thanks! And both approval and RCV are steps in the right direction. For whatever reason, RCV has been implemented more broadly (but still just a tiny fraction of the US).

I've been very encouraged by the results in Alaska after the special election that just happened there in August. 85% found it simple. 73% ranked multiple candidates. And the election workers implementing it had a flawless go of it.

Some data from one of the groups that helped educate voters: https://alaskansforbetterelections.com/polling-shows-alaskan...

Hi HN! I’ve been running RankedVote as a solo founder for over a year and have had great success (and luck) with it being used to educate voters in New York City and Alaska. Bill de Blasio even ate a piece of pepperoni pizza as the result of one contest held on RankedVote.

BUT…what I’m looking for at this stage are use cases outside of direct voter education where RankedVote can be applied. By crossing over into everyday uses, RankedVote can better promote ranked-choice voting to people who are unaware of it.

Recently, I’ve seen it used for anything from mascot naming contests, to monthly book club selections, to scrum prioritization, to deciding what character should be included in a new version of a video game.

Question to the HN Community: Where would you use ranked-choice voting in your life (or at work) to make decisions?

Simple...because it's being used in a significant (and growing) number of places. Approval and STAR are great methods as well. But they're not what's in use in Maine. Or NYC. Or will be in use in Alaska.

So, in the spirit of focusing where I can have the most impact, I've chosen to most directly support RCV.

First past the post is the enemy here. Not RCV, STAR, or Approval.

New York City is the one driving the news cycle right now (and rightfully so as 8 million people have the potential to use RCV for the first time). And people view NYC as pretty liberal.

But a great thing about RCV is that it's not inherently partisan or favoring of left or right. As a result, in addition to being used in places like New York City, San Francisco, and Maine...it recently passed for use in Alaska and nearly two dozen cities in Utah. That's a pretty diverse set of locales across the U.S.

Article on Alaska: https://www.vox.com/2020/11/19/21537126/alaska-measure-2-ran...

Article on Utah: https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/05/11/many-utahns-...

Thanks! The idea is to use software to promote this reform (as well as Final-Five Voting...which is Open Primaries + RCV)

As for advanced tactics, if you're really into it, Rob Richie, the CEO of FairVote (leading national advocacy org) put this in the New York Times over the weekend. It spells out a bunch of scenarios (e.g. "I want Garcia to win and Stringer to lose.") and how to tactically vote for each.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/18/opinion/nyc-mayoral-elect...

BUT the point I'd want to drive home is that ranked-choice allows you to be FAR more able to "vote for who you believe is best" than in the more common most votes wins approach (where you have to be strategic the moment a 3rd candidate enters).

Great to see this on Hacker News! I'm a former YC Founder who's been working with NYC on voter education for this year's elections through RankedVote (https://www.rankedvote.co).

You can get a sense for what it's like to vote in a ranked-choice election here: https://app.rankedvote.co/elections/7568/Best-NYC-Pizza-Topp...

And you can see the results visualized here (over 20K people voted in this one!): https://app.rankedvote.co/elections/7568/Best-NYC-Pizza-Topp...

And you can see Mayor Bill de Blasio eating a pepperoni pizza as a result of this here: https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1404809865235767315

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Thanks bbcbasic! You nailed it. I debated using the term "awesomer" prior to posting. Mainly because it's not a real word :-). But, the whole point of the post is to knock people out of their current mindset. "Awesomer" makes you pause for a second and take notice. "Be even more awesome" didn't have the same effect. From the comments, it rubbed some people the wrong way. But, the fact it's even being debated means it accomplished much of what I intended to accomplish with it (cause you to take notice).

I had a personal connection to most, but did a couple out of cold outreach. Be bold, reach out, if you don't get a response, you're still in the same position you were before...and no worse.

Thanks Yuri. If there's one piece of advice to give, it's that.

What I'm attempting to get at in this piece is a bit more tactical. The applications I reviewed all knew they should "be concise." But, they kept running into situations where they became more verbose while believing they were still concise.

My hope was to point out a few of the mental traps that would add clauses to sentences and sentences to paragraphs.

I think that's great. And, it's ok to have the same idea if you're showing that you're "making something people want" (showing growth and that you're learning and adapting with the market).

I've reviewed a good number of applications this go around (last day to submit is Friday!). So I put together a quick write up that's hopefully helpful to the broader community.

Any other tips you'd suggest?