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nice try cultist, ngmi

You're absolutely right!

Datastar btw

your understanding is very wrong. please read the docs or better yet the actual code.

Really powerful and interesting approach!

This is well known. You can have full reactivity without being JS heavy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W6Lr1hRgXo is a perfect example

he is out of line, but he is right

It's a direct support in binary for the primitives available in JSON. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

you have a point https://x.com/htmx_org/photo

So much misunderstanding of the details without actually trying it. I said clearly if you have metrics to back up claims great! Otherwise it's pure FUD which goes against actual metrics in the wild. Back up your assertions with actual code, that'd be great since you are so confident its 99% wrong.

Look at any Datastar demo, updates in microseconds above half RTT. Look at Andrew's demo above. We are actually working with Joel on possibly moving our already fastest approach to morphing to a version of his morphlex work. Actually try it and measure for yourself

I make technical decisions based off of metrics. Last time we talked as soon as I showed you flamegraphs you yeeted. If you think D* version of morph is just idiomorph... please, make charts that actually show that to be the case.

You are right! without HTMX 1 and the choices for future dev there would be no Datastar! If you think having a full framework while still allowing super easy way to make whatever API as you see fit is putting someone down, idk, ngmi.

I hope you realize literally everything is a plug-in. The core is < 4kb. Also Datastar is literally smaller than HTMX so this is already kinda funny

The power in Datastar is YOU get to choose what plugins you use to build the API you what... want data-get, it's a few lines away from being yours! You can rebuild all of HTMX in Datastar, not the other way around. https://data-star.dev/examples/custom_plugin is a great intro

Oh noes, we agree on stuff. I don't know what to do now... stare at feet.

So you can support JSON while still being REST. For example, Datastar supports merging in HTML, JS, JSON into the current view of a resource. They work together to keep the resource state unified versus polling. In general the Datastar way is...

1. make an MPA 2. each page is a resource 3. keep a stream open on the current state of that resource 4. ship, touch grass, repeat

You are right! If this is enough to put you off the project then I hope you find one that aligns with your ideals.

hey Alex, I hope you are well. Datastar has had direct support for req/rep of HTML, JS, JSON while still morphing for a quite a while. They allow you to go as coarse as you want. Give the size and ability to choose what plugins you actually need seems like Datastar is more in line with your wants at this point. Strange times.

To be fair, the idiomorph work came from Datastar and Turbo community efforts. There is a whole podcast about Micah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrtBBqyDrJU&pp=ygUOZGF0YXN0Y.... Latent has been a huge force behind these ideas as well!

As the Datastar author, I'd approve this effort

It's a toy example, it's suppose to show that you can be doing N things and then redirect. If you have a normal redirect immediately, just do a 307 or whatever.

Yep, we are BY FAR the fastest signal approach and built in. Datastar is just a set of tools to ture data-* attributes into fine grain reactive expressions. Everything else is a plugin.

Cool effort, but to say this is like Datastar is a stretch at best.

Just Datastar and my new WC framework (which is 6kb). Was the shortest, valid HTML, no build step https://gist.github.com/delaneyj/8c55b6a9768a38c873750afdebd...

Backbone was a pain as you make more, React is a husk of its original intent. Both of these can be true while still having better modern alternatives

A guy told me that they were told to defend the project.

Might be nice if you can back that up. I see no drshapeless in our Discord logs.

he only nice thing I got from them was an alternative method to imitate replace-url function using only free-tier features. So we did give you an alternative to you going against how the framework is suppose to work.

Yeah that tracks with writing that blog. Good luck to ya, Datastar is definitely not a good fit.

You think Datastar CEO is nothing beyond a joke. Oh I get it now, you have literally no idea about this space at all and are just a karma tourist farming for troll points. Sorry to feed you! Was hoping you'd actually engage with the values of the project. That is my fault and I apologize for keeping you fed. I will endure to be better in the future!

I'm the CEO of literally nothing. You clearly do understand anything about this space. I looked through your comments and your behavior and lack of positive dialogue on literally any subject is telling. I'm the same person all the time, have a live video call and stand by your comments. Feel free to expose me, I welcome it.

I get the trolly natural of your response. But please point at anywhere in that five hours any of this about me. What do I get out of this beyond pushing hypermedia forward? Whoever you are mad at it is not me and I hope you can find peace.

I choose in my own fork of my own framework to license new scratch code different from old that was deprecated. I choose to have the new code fund things like a conference is even tuition for one of our dev for college that are antipatterns. I haven't made a dime. Please show me what anyone has taken from anyone.

Oh don't worry, it's made it much less likely that I never develop in the open ever again