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Losing Sight 11 years ago

I always wonder how people cope financially during their medical challenges. Life is already difficult even in normal times.

It's been 5 years since node.js is around? is node.js development slow or the version numbers (scheme) is progressing slow. It sounds like there is at least a decade for ver 1.0. Probably 1.0 does not mean anything. In my mind version 1.0 is the when the product is complete.

After a long day at work, I get home with my eyes "burned". I sit on the couch and the ceiling lamp hurts my eyes. I turn it off and can only stand the dim light. I think this monitor is perfect for people like me. (Recently started using f.lux, it's helping though)

Sounds like U.S. has not been a sovereign country for sometime. It's intelligence service has been working for another country, passing sensitive information of its own citizens to Israel. Interesting. Even more interesting is that the bulk of the comments are on somewhere else whether this is a witch hunt or not, if it resembles to what Mr. Hoover did or did not do, if the committee in the past succeeded or not.

The mistake will be to allow even a tiny hole in net neutrality. Once they get hold of something it will be only a matter of time to make it larger. However it sounds harmless any dent to net neutrality should be fought against fiercely.

I totally agree. There are so many venues on internet you can express yourself. However on a limited time frame it works. Only a week away from the elections, not many people will be able to reconnect through other means.

I listened both videos. It is apparent that you either did not listen it or did not read my comment completely. Why don't you show us your critical thinking while linking it to the text without fabricating anything.

People are already afraid of stray bullets and artillery shells on the Turkish side. Even couple of people died because of that. In a border town called Reyhanli, 60 people already died because of car bomb.

What these people in the recoding are talking to find a more legitimate reason to intervene on the the other side of the border, especially to ISIL. Something that world can back them. They are not looking for war with Syria. Minister of Foreign Affairs says:

"zaten adamların kapasitesini bildiğimiz için biz girmeyelim diyoruz."

"since we know their[Syrian] capability we say we should not get involved".

So they do not want to get involved (create a circumstance) for an all out war but use other options like manufacturing ammo and selling them since Qatar is already out for purchase. Here's the Turkish for that part:

"şimdi bakın efendim. mke bizim sayın bakanın emrinde değil mi efendim? efendim yani şu anda parayla katar mühimmat arıyor. peşin para üretsin versinler. sayın bakanın emrinde."

Yes, if you take the sentence out of its context and clip it that how it sounds. You have every right to criticize what's in that recording, but you should do it honestly. The rest of the statement you omitted is "they would fire 8 rockets into empty lands".

Here's the Turkish statement he (the head if intelligence) made in the recording:

"Biz gerekçeyse gerekçeyi üretiriz, ben öbür tarafa 4 tane adam gönderirim, 8 tane boş alana füze de attırırım."

So he intends to say that he would send 4 of his men but have them send the 8 rockets to empty lands.

In other part of the speech he is more concerned about human life. He says along large swath of the border millions of people's life are at risk that should be enough for intervention but on the other hand we're talking of the Tomb and 22-28 soldiers over there (this is not a translation of the following but gist of it).

Turkish: " yani işte vatan toprağının işte bu oda kadar yaklaşık 10 dönümlük bir yer için silah kullanmayı göz önüne alıyoruz, ordaki 22-28 tane askerimizin şeyi için, yahu kaçbin kilometre vatan toprağı var sınırda kaç milyon insanın hayatı için almıyoruz"

Full text of recording in Turkish:

https://eksisozluk.com/27-mart-2014-ahmet-davutoglu-ses-kayd...

Nowhere I said Turkey should invade or anything. This is a bit getting out of hand. I just wanted to draw attention giving an example. However creating a temporary buffer zone where a terrorist group already taken control of is not unthinkable either.

There is not a civil war in Mexico, is it? Mexican government is not bombing Mexican cities with fighter jets either. 120,000 (actually 658,000 if proportioned it to Mexican population) people have not died in Mexico in the last 3 years, and 3 million (12 million) people have not displaced as refugee in bordering countries either. Would you like me to go on?

Mexican government is fully cooperating with US and not acting like an enemy towards US, eh?

No where in that recording mention about strengthening Erdogan's position before local elections. On the contrary they mention that Erdogan actually not acting on it all, one of the voice proposes that Head of Turkish Army and couple of other officials should get together while PM present and clarify on how to help rebel groups.

I am a native Turkish speaker and I listened the recording. For one thing I did not hear anything you would not expect to hear from most of the statesman in the west in a similar situation.

Conversation is about the future stance of Turkey for the civil war in Syria and lack of enough resolve for the last 3 years to intervene properly, and that does not mean directly involving but not supplying ammo to rebel groups against Assad regime. They are complaining that the civil war took a turn toward total destabilization of the region, especially after Al-Qaeda linked group called ISIL[1] started taking over anti-Assad rebel groups. They fear that if ISIL becomes an armed power next to Turkey's border it will be a huge security concern. The head of intelligence agency says that if Turkey going to engage against them in the future it should be done so on their terms but not the other side's choosing. The mention of alleged provocation of the head of intelligence by his minions firing rockets from the Syrian side into Turkish side is correct. He says his men can do that. However he says that in the context they want to be the one starting the assault on ISIL, not the other way around. They argue that if they should wait for the ISIL to attack first. So again it is about engaging al-Qaeda linked group but not starting war with Syria. In this recording foreign minister mention that they want to avoid any conflict with Syria due to their capabilities. I do believe that any war with Syria destabilizes Turkey grossly and it is definitely something they would want to avoid and they did.

The al-Qaeda linked group (ISIL) invaded one the Syrian village about [4] 30-40km away from the Turkish border about a week ago. And like many Turkish I learned something new last week. In that village there's the tomb[2] of the grandfather of the founder of Ottoman Empire. Surrounding of that tomb which is a tiny tiny land in that village belongs to Turkish Republic. The monument is protected by Turkish soldiers who reside there permanently. After ISIL invaded the surrounding village they demanded [5] that Turkish soldiers leave the monument. However that land is part of Turkish sovereign land and Turkey reacted that she would intervene forcefully. Even we have been reading that couple of F-16 fighters are kept ready to take off on the tarmac and special ops can intervene in 90 seconds.

In the recording, foreign minister mentions the option of intervention to ISIL using the Tomb as an excuse, even if they do not attack monument and the soldiers. They mention that world would support such intervention since this is a al-Qaeda linked group. So they would like to attack ISIL fully in the whole region.

They are not warmongering against Syria, and they fear that ISIL's presence could become permanent and can become something of huge security concern for years to come.. In the recording, head of Turkish intelligence mention about lack of resolve of the government. He says if they did not intervene while thousands of people died, still attack on the Tomb of Suleyman Shah is a weaker argument to start an attack.

Probably we need to consider how US would react if an Al-Qaeda linked group starts taking over northern villages of Mexico while a civil war is going on in there.

However the main post is about YouTube ban due to this recording. I just wanted to give another perspective.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_L... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Suleyman_Shah [3] https://plus.google.com/109044970213631232914/about?gl=us&hl... [4] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tomb+of+Suleyman+Shah/@36.... [5] http://www.worldbulletin.net/turkey/132062/isil-deadline-for...