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Censorship of speech is not okay! No matter what!
If someone handed you a a stack of flyers and told you to post it everywhere, would it be ok to not do this and just throw it away? If someone on Facebook types in a message and hits post, would it not be acceptable for them to not send that data to anyone that connects to them, and instead just delete it?
The algorithm may not be racist, but it is guaranteed to perpetuate our objectively racist policing of the past.
Depends on how the algorithm is formulated. If it's based on number of crimes found, by policeman, by hour, then this would eliminate that concern (vs just number of crimes per hour).
Article is mostly filler, doesn't talk or explain much of anything as to what makes Robinhood addictive.
However it can prevent people with "different views" from evangelizing effectively. Look at the anti-vaxers, "chem trails", or 5G conspiracy theorists: the majority of these paranoiacs didn't independently arrive at these theories.
That's throwing out the baby with the bathwater. If everytime someone tries to blow the whistle on something, they are called a conspiracy theorist and allowed to be censored, you are basically giving the people in charge infinite power and zero accountability.
Yes, exactly ! I remember traveling through Asia and seeing a “no durians” sign posted near the metro entrance. I forget the country, but it was probably Singapore or HK.
You might be suffering from confirmation bias. You have a forgone conclusion (it's all due to racism), so you see racism everywhere.
It's just really farfetched that all black people are being frisked at airports as much as you are, simply because they're black.
Maybe it could be your face matches some known terrorist or something. Or maybe you're flying out of the same airport a lot and the staff has it out for you for some reason. Who knows?
This is what you wrote. "Did you ever think" is a hell of a way to start a polite conversation. It's a condescending, accusatory and downright shitty way to basically call a person an idiot and completely invalidate what they are trying to tell you.
No it's not. It's just an expression, it means none of those things. And yes, I think maybe he could be misinterpreting things. Is that really so bad? Pardon the expression, but everyone's shit stinks, no one is God, and infallible.
You see how absolutely rude it is to talk to people like that? Can you imagine if your TV got stolen and you went to the police and the first question out of their mouth was not about the facts of the case, not things like, "When did you first notice it missing? What kind of TV was it? How long have you had this TV? Has anyone suspicious been around your place?"...but not those questions, but the cops came up with a completely alternate, dismissive theory like "Have you ever considered that maybe you never owned a TV at all? I mean, it could be burglary, but how could you know that? Next!" You'd be apoplectic, because that is not asking questions, it's downright incredulity.
That's really not like this at all... He's just being frisked a lot. Could be for a lot of reasons.
People who experience racism get gaslighted like this all the time. But of course you don't want to understand the emotional context and frustration of those people, you want to "ask questions" and find a way out of your emotional discomfort as quickly as possible. Jumping in like this makes nothing better. Nothing. Like I said three times already, Listen to people who experience racism.
Gaslighting is not the same as disagreeing.
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Bye, then.
Yeah, in exactly the kind of snooty passive-aggressive way that climate-deniers are just "asking questions". I didn't want to come out all hot at you and gently encouraged you to consider having more empathy, but here we are, down a spiral of your increasing defensiveness and hostility. This is now totally about how you feel slighted for being challenged on your victim-blaming.
Will you listen to yourself? You're creating this enormous fiction out of a few innocent questions. I even said it could also be racism.
It's clear that you don't agree with this person and already have pre-formed judgments, and that constantly surfaces as outright incredulity. It's difficult for you to process how infuriating that is for minorities who do experience racism to have to fight their way through a lack of shared experience and a wall of denial masquerading as "asking questions". Asking questions isn't "listening", it's just pushback. Racism is real. Listen to people to experience it.
All I wanted was some more information. Yes, it does sound kind of odd, doesn't it? Aren't there a lot of black fliers around? Does it really happen that they are being frisked that much? Maybe he's flying out of one airport much of the time and the staff doesn't like him for some reason.
Please, could you just let people who are close to the situation talk instead of putting yourself in there and muddying the waters?
I'm not stopping anyone from talking. I just put forth my point of view, same as anyone else. Why are you so upset about me sharing my thoughts?
Is this really all that serious anyway? I've been frisked, too, multiple times. Why does it have to become some giant emotional cryfest?
Well to honest your post was the textbook definition of victim blaming. It was hardly a "premise." With absolutely zero evidence you flat out accused them of wrong behavior (dressing wrong, acting wrong) instead of considering their situation on the facts they presented. That is victim blaming.
I didn't accuse, I simply asked a question. How are you so sure that it must be racism? Why are you trying to shame me for suggesting there might be another explanation?
But now you try turn the tables around. Your feelings are so important. Painting yourself as the victim is the all-too-predictable next step in that logical chain. Congratulations on making this all about you.
When did I ever say anything about my feelings whatsoever? Can you at least quote me when you attribute motives?
Instead of being pissed off and trying to fire another salvo to get other people pissed off and concerned about you, you should try to listen to people instead. You came out of the gate with the over the top with "your lived experience is invalid, here is my completely context-free flat denial that anything is wrong, I don't want to hear what you are saying". This whole chain originated out of your lack of empathy, and here now we completely forgot about the people who are actually victimized.
Empathy is not the same as agreeing with him as to what caused his situation. You are adding a lot of emotional context in what I say, which isn't present.
I'm just trying to get people to stop jumping to conclusions everytime that everyone is racist. Undoubtedly some people are, but you're immediately jumping to the conclusion that everyone is without evidence.
I wasn't “finding excuses for racism”. Just trying to determine if actually occured, or not.
I disagree with the premise of “victim blaming”. If we can't look at all sides of an issue for fear of being publicly shamed for going against a narrative, we'll end up with wrong conclusions a lot of the time.
I did acknowledge racism could also play a part, but I don't see how we are supposed to be able to accept that one can read the minds of those that affront him.
I also don't give a damn about the “monkey no like, hit 'you are bad' button” people seem to care about.
Assuming it is race, do you really think the whole TSA does? Wouldn't it have to be codified in order for them to do so?
I think it would probably be more likely a few racist employees he unfortunately has to deal with.
Where is your evidence? I think the null hypotheses, i.e. we don't know, is more probable then what a appears to be an unsubstantiated conclusion that you wrote.
Isn't the implied assumption that he is being treated that way simply because he's black?
The difference is hundreds of years of slavery and institutional discrimination specifically target toward blacks and all the accompanying cultural baggage. Part of that baggage is a deeply ingrained suggestion that black people are intellectually inferior but innately athletic.
How can you say this with complete certainty? How could you ever be sure?
Did you ever think it might be the way you dress or your demeanor? Obviously, it could be racial also, but how could you know that?
I think the parent is saying that Facebook could have been lying about the exploit being patched away, in order to keep the exploit available and have an excuse as to why they didn't reveal how they did it.
I've never seen an example of riots breaking out in a city before police instigate violence with rubber bullets and tear gas. (emphasis mine)
To me it's pretty clear the words used to describe people and their actions influences how these people and actions are viewed and understood.
It can have unintended consequences, however. For me, hearing the phrase “undocumented immigrants” just irritates me and actually distracts me from the point the utterer is trying to make. It's like a word pretzel designed to get around saying “illegal”.
if there's any doubt whether they're being racist or not then it should be on the officer to demonstrate that they're not (using their record, bodycam evidence, etc).
He has no venue to respond. No one even accused him of being racist, besides you. How is he supposed to defend himself, come onto hacker news and write a reply?
The police dept released a statement said they'd review the video and take any action deemed necessary. What you would have them do?
How is someone supposed to prove they aren't racist? Shouldn't you need more than, he was an asshole and the driver happened to be black to conclude that he is racist?
They weren't piloting an F-14 in Top Gun or something, there was a visibly unarmed elderly guy shuffling towards them alone on the sidewalk. It was literally the opposite of a situation that demanded split-second decision making.
Yea, life isn't a movie, don't you know? Regardless of how old he was, or how harmless he was trying to look, he could still be a threat.
As with the grandparent comment, I question whether you even watched the video of the incident or if you are just repeating some stupid stuff you heard about the incident.
Yea, I did, several times. It looked weird to me. The push wasn't enough to knock him over.
I also just found out there is some evidence this was a staged event, complete with fake blood.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/did_an_aged_act...
Protests are also the only thing people can do together and not likely to get arrested/fined. I wonder how many people care about the issues vs those that are out there just to have something to do?
I realize you are just quoting the text, but this does not describe "black people". It describes poor people.
Yea, looking at it again, you're right. The cop was definitely wrong here. Sorry about that.
Giving a huge benefit of doubt, that barely explains their initial behavior. The guy had two hands full when he was shoved. We can see that in the video.
What does it matter whether he was carrying something in his hands?
The officers continued to get closer and closer to the man. They were approaching him. They could have kept their distance and instructed him.
He was walking towards them, as well. Even if they stopped dead in their tracks, he would have walked into them.
But let's assume their only option was to shove him for some reason that repeated examination of the video for sure does not reveal. Now explain why they just continued walking past him, watching him bleed on the ground. Once they were safe, what is their excuse for not immediately helping the person they just injured? In fact you can clearly see that one of the police started to bend down to do something - we could assume to help the guy - and the other officer stopped him.
Because the USA is extremely litigious, and if they touched him, they could get sued. You can also see them immediately radioing for a medic. If they are so heartless and cruel, why would they have done that?
What's the excuse for lying about the man tripping? If their actions are defensible, why did they lie at first?
There is no excuse for that, but it is understandable. Cops, heck, anybody who does anything physical to someone else, often has to face enormous consequences. Because a split second decision, the police officer was possibly facing losing his job, being sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and even jail time.
What should have they done, run away? Just stand there? Put yourself in their shoes, and remember you have a fraction of a second to decide.
He's got stuff in both his hands and he's very clearly not trying to take their weapons away. His hands are roughly at the same height as their "weapons," yes.
They've got a fraction of a second to decide whether someone is a threat or not. That's why there is procedure when someone runs up on them, regardless if there is “stuff” in his hands or not.
By all accounts:
- Protesters were peaceful
From MSNBC's own coverage
0:42 - Visible in the scene are fireworks being launched at cops.
https://youtu.be/dUn-BShWYOs?t=42
You are being lied to, and by all the reporters of the major networks who were on the scene, no less.