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Yes, it is.

Sorry if you can’t read deeply into it or something. I’m not posting for grad students. I can sense you just like to correct people. Ahhhh I’m so wrong, you’re right?

Well, I beg to differ. Firstly I believe you should be paid more but that is an aside.

I also don’t think that what I wrote is an ad-hominem. It’s the truth.

“ I feel like we live in a nightmarish hellscape where a significant portion of work is driven by nothing but desire for profit, but this doesn't suddenly make me think that everyone involved in making things is only there because they get paid.”

I feel this is true but I disagree with your second part of the statement because that’s all that motivates me to go to work, ever.

To me merely being forced to attend some building or talk to some people at a certain time is said nightmarish hellscape.

I further disagree with your framing at the end. I think that it’s a challenging discussion but I’m not shutting people down, I am responding to them with my thoughts and letting them respond in kind. If anything your framing has these elements, but if you disagree just say so. It’s really not a heinous crime to disagree with me. Many have done so.

Feel free to disagree again: I think you’re either being unclear with your definition of enjoyment and love, or you are perhaps confused between the two.

Which isn’t to say you aren’t having positive feelings at your job, I think that’s possible and in general ideal.

Enjoyment out of spending more time the way you want to as opposed to the way others have dictated it be spent is very natural, I believe. But I have to draw the distinction between love and enjoyment. Love (to me) is the expression of an idea from the soul, and the willingness to nurture this idea from the perspective of nature and harmony. There is a harmony in creating order (code, poetry, music), and there is a harmony in creating a roughness around which order and harmony form. (Clouds, fractals, abstract ideas, natural patterns) to experience this as the self with the world and with others in the world is how I believe love exists and comes to be.

When you’re paid for this process it diminishes love with the element of time, and space. You have to do it by so and so time, or there will be a material consequence. (Even if the time is very far away)

I don’t think that your labor of love becomes undone, but it’s something else. It’s enjoying the fruits of your labor, and that is not the same as laboring for love. Not to me at least.

I even would say you can enjoy making things others love. But for you yourself, it’s not possible.

And for me, in practical experience, I don’t get many who love what I do, and I don’t really enjoy the climate around me full of people doing nothing but stacking up money for no purpose.

I suppose my real gripe here is that I wish things were good or meaningful.

Well, I have developed IP myself. Emphasis on myself. Half the time dragging along people down a path they can’t see. I’m not sympathetic or empathetic to anyone doing the same because in generally they’re doing so from a perspective of having more resources.

In other words: dude I have done things for rich people like crazy rich people, and they’re babies who can’t do for themselves and got money through generational wealth or wealthy relatives or knowing wealthy people. I have done for myself with less than most get and my lack of empathy comes directly from people who are allowed to fail in luxury.

Disclosure: I won’t say what I do.

You should really consider things from a “what can humans perceive” standpoint. There are things you can do with ML and eye saccades that you will literally never see because of perceptual delay. If I can push a saccadic event below 50ms you will never notice it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccade

That’s one example.

Ideally someone would value your creativity or recognize the value in paying you enough to do a task that has value to them while also giving you time and space to work on the things which are valuable to you.

We can all be paid more and work less and things will get better. Now, making people actually understand that is an entirely different beast.

I can sympathize with your friend, I made digital art for a while and distribute it for free still to this day without any license whatsoever. Because I love to make art. I write with no expectation that I will get a book deal, that someone will pay to read it, or that I can convert it to some form of sellable text.

Because I love to write.

The more I’m on Earth the less I like it here.

It’s because of the extreme amount of contracting, outsourcing, and in general “I don’t care how our developers or admins feel, we can always hire more”. This stuff is all incredibly for profit and the software getting worse isn’t going to change that much. (I think “so bad” is a level we haven’t reached yet, right now we are at “janky”)

I think there is also no willingness to change this. People cash out, aren’t concerned about anyone else needing to use something or any major impacts changes will have beyond profit generating or profit saving.

Maybe convince the companies that having good software is more profitable than mediocre software and industry dominance.

I made a bet in 2016 that AMD would overtake Intel. I’m still owed $100 on that.

The simulation stuff is just “Plato’s Cave”:Reloaded for people who never understood the concept of the cave in the first place. At a basic level you can interpret it from Gödel’s incompleteness theorems, which state that systems of logic need some form of observer to function. That observer concept reaches way back across different philosophical domains and authors as well.

You can’t really learn Math at school. Not really from the perspective of understanding mathematical beauty deeply. I wish there was an outlet or means to do so. I always found schooling to be woefully inept at assisting in learning the craft.

I would like to say yes but the reality is no. If you would like to talk about it I don’t mind. I have decided that I’m going to engage people on a more limited basis because no one seems to want actually discuss the topic at hand.

I’m going to respond to you directly and clearly. I dislike posts like this: they’re low effort and accusing someone of ill behavior because they have an opinion you don’t share is a cheap shot at best. I’m trying to be charitable here and I’m finding it unenjoyable because no one is apparently willing to have a serious discussion if we aren’t all constantly agreeing.

You really can’t imagine how disappointing it is and how little it makes me want to engage in the future.

“ ...you're on Hacker News.”

Am I? I know that’s the name but it’s not really for hackers. It’s mainly for businesspeople who are very sensitive, don’t really know much of anything beyond their desk job or coding and don’t care much for the hacker ethos.

If I post like myself, really like myself, that is, extremely weird and sarcastic, I’ll get the Socrates/Voltaire/Diogenes treatment and be shown the door. I think people like to call themselves hackers, or pirates, or “code ninjas” —- it is escapism from the truth that they no longer do it for the love, it’s for the money, or they are doing it for the job, the prestige, the “do you know who I am?!” Effect.

Which I don’t care about cuz I’m a hacker. I didn’t get your fancy 4 year degree. I’ll write your code dude but I’m not going to fawn over wealth like it’s valuable because to me it isn’t.

I’ve seen many people get sensitive or bristly attitudes here, report the post, downvote, because they don’t have much to say or engage with.

They disagree, and that’s it.

I am “man you disagree with” and “bad man” because you disagree.

Yes that’s called enjoying making money. It’s not love. Why is that confusing to so many people?

See that’s actually a brilliant idea. Have a series of products, actors, musicians, and sign them all together onto similar platforms. I bet Amazon could do it.

You would only see these actors using these certain types of products and appearing in movies where the action or entertainment incorporates product.

Presenting The 90s, brought to you by Amazon. Beige computers, everyone has the same hairstyle, small town Americana!

I think most people are tasteless enough to really like this.

Ok but that’s assuming I have empathy for investors; I do not.

“ The money is meant to fuel their creations.”

I’ve never seen this in practice. It’s usually to fuel buying some big house that no one normal could ever afford and then acting like you were granted a lordship.

I am more than happy to change my perspective but not to have a headache by deluding myself that “everyone just has to take profits!”

Maybe that’s the world you live in. I don’t want to live in it.

It’s my perspective. I think that money is toxic and demeaning. You won’t change my perspective on that.

Uh, it’s not love if you’re doing it for money. It’s work. You might enjoy the feeling of getting paid but that’s not love.

Hey you know, it’s a good thing! This helps you not be attached to the past, and let’s be honest here… people make things for money, not love or art. Otherwise they wouldn’t copyright it.

Yes, it is.

But not as education. It’s just an expensive stamp of approval one must receive to work with certain institutions. You pay the institutions for the stamp, fill out worksheets for children and write papers for no one for 4 years and then bravo! You did it!

You didn’t do anything! Now it’s time to learn the actual job. But this process is time-tested. The only fault is the parents lying to the kids attending that they’ll learn something. They won’t. But they’ll start understanding how to show up (without their parents waking them up) and do tasks (without their parents making them) which is really what college is these days.

And that the USA stole a TON of Nazi scientists and then brought them to the US, giving them new identities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

1600 is the official number, in practice it was a lot more and their identities were concealed.

It became the default because going to college was the way to show you were a “high status” person. The people with “high status” will constantly “rethink” anything that challenges it.

Personally this article comes off as classist and that disgusts me.

I have read the guidelines. Could you tell me where it says “don’t make jokes”? The guidelines aren’t rules, they’re guidelines. Otherwise they would be called rules. You can’t break a guideline, to wit.

I think you’re really overestimating how much my comment either adds or detracts from the conversation.

But I can say it in a clearer way: I do not care one single iota about the investment companies have made in leasing buildings whatsoever. I do not care to be babysat at work and I leave places that choose such paths. I look down on people who want to have that either as an occupation or a career. I will be laughing the entire time the physical workplace burns because it’s comical.

Have you ever read Candide by Voltaire?

I think we’re in agreement, haha.

Waterfall and Agile are tools. If you need to hang a photo, a hammer and a nail. Cut down a tree? Maybe not the hammer and the nail.

Who is forcing you to? Again, you are not special.

Because it filters out the people who do all of category B (bullshitting, talking, having meetings) who normally spend their time taking away from category A (I am paid to do a task which I will do, and then be paid)

NOOOOOOO… you HAVE to be a cog in the machine and not enjoy your own life because… because… NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lol

On the other side of that: I am forced to go to work so that I don’t die basically. I don’t use it as a social occasion and in general all of the tedious people who either can’t make friends or have an enjoyable life on their own time, get in the way.

Workplaces that try to use Work and Pay as a reason to have a social outing aren’t workplaces. I’ll fake it to be paid but if remote means it goes away… that is a very very good thing.