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You seem to be very lost, @locallost. Great name. Certain services are obviously best done from a collective, society standpoint. You wouldn't be able to protect your property from certain wild fires, like what happened California. Nor protect yourself from an invasion from another country. Nor break up a criminal gangster mob that attacks the people.

Central Europe is far more socialist. They're legitimately becoming communist.

For example, in Germany, the socialist/left/green pretty dominate and control almost all power here. Democracy is one of the few last standing barricades to germany becoming a full-blown communist state.

Yet, even democracy is starting to fade here.

Besides Germany, most of europe is well grounded in democracy. Therefore, I wouldn't call most of european countries communist states.

However, once socialism reaches a certain point, societies start to fail, and economies start to stagnate or even go backwards. We are starting to witness this here in European. Stagnating or retreading economies. Germany's economy hasn't grown in years.

Socialism = lots of social welfare

You sound like an ignorant american. Germany prides itself on being a socialist state. It's even anchored in their constitution (Article 20): "Germany is a democratic and socialist state."

Lots of other european countries are similar in this regard to Germany. The word socialism is well integrated in almost all european countries except for the english speaking ones. Most European countries consider themselves to be socialist states.

Do the workers on "all western economies" own the means of production in any way, shape, or form?

You're drawing from some sort of book definition, like an ignorant american. You don't understand what "socialism" means.

It looks like you're an American who has no idea what socialism even is and you had to look up on the internet. Let me break it down for you in a simple manner: Socialism = lots of social welfare

Therefore, the continual dramatic expansion of Social Welfare (especially for the old) means america has become a shitty social state.

All western economies are socialist nowadays. There doesn't exist any hyper-capitalistic economies. What hyper-capitalistic economies are you talking about?

Even America has become a socialist country. The current Republicans are doing their best (thankfully) to slowly roll this back, but it's a long, slow process.

As evidence that America has become a socialist country, you just need to look at the massive expansion of medicare/medicaid and social security.

Here is a great place to start (Scroll down to the table called "Historical Social Security Tax Rates" and see how the numbers have just exploded): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States...

Now on the other hand Trump has gone insane and is completely misleading the Republican party, but this a completely different matter...

"Elizabeth Prophet regarded American society as existing in a state of decay, comparing it to the last days of the Roman Empire." [0]

She's definitely right about that one ^. A very slow decay, most visibly seen by its gradual fall of GDP and world influence. This is also paralleled by increasing social welfare over the years, which the church also rejected:

"Elizabeth preached against socialism in all forms, seeing it as part of the global elite conspiracy's plot to control all facets of society. She instead emphasised a philosophy of individualism. Palmer and Abravanel characterised the Church's viewpoint as a 'conservative Republican stance'."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Universal_and_Triumphan...

You could be right actually (you probably are). I tried looking into it before to understand the context, and I couldn't find anything. But the context your provide does sound more like Mr. Habeck, as opposed to him arguing that the state is always right. So I do accept this misquote and take it back. My _experience_ however living in Europe is that the state actors behave like the State is right, and that the state actors are greater than the individuals. This would seem to be most true in east Germany.

No, the Regulation (in this case) is the predatory practice, which is destroying companies. There's a reason the EU doesn't have many successful companies.

DMA is the problem, it's not "that hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves". DMA does not regulate (or provide) that "hotels are allowed to provide cheaper prices themselves" because hotels were always allowed to do this.

Even I admit that DMA has a couple good things, but it is overwhelmed by the bad. DMA goes way, way too far and it causes destruction.

EU policies are extremely overbearing, arrogant and totalitarian. This is destroying business.