orangecoffee

very cool

SQL isn't an allergy. It's time test. Take medicine to fix your allergy.

Education is not knowledge either. Today market most directly pays for skilled work that increases revenue/profit. Correlation drops after that. It's a struggle I've been trying to reason for myself too.

You are making a wrong assumption that more knowlege leads to more comp, it never has or will.

Has there been anytime, when senior experts in a field, are consistently maintaining this time it's different? You can ignore this at your own peril.

The root cause if of course AI's role in loss of power on compensation (coding as a skill is no longer as valuable), and loss of power in labor vs capital.

It's hard to face this, specially for the one oasis in the job market that pays well.

The industry should give more security in exchange for reduced pay. We need a social movement for this.

This could have a shot if we also recommend to companies that, they should convert overall pay to ~2/3 for employees, and with the 1/3 extra hire more people. so every company that opts in has no higher people budget, but generates more employment.

This only requires that everyone take a pay cut to help their peer citizens. I would sign up for this. But would the majority - would you? yes/no - and why?

Someone is not let go with the announcement "you are replaced with AI". I know many teams that have downsized, or are not hiring after someone left. There is a reason why leverage of employees has drastically gone down. I myself am struggling in this aspect.

Wtf.. nauseating to see promise of ai proof roles. No way to guarantee that and irresponsible. Spam shit.

One idea we have discussed in my network is if as an industry reset we all said CS should become a 2X to 6X minimum wage career. So say 30k beginner to 100K senior/lead. This would keep many more jobs available and open. But I guess it would not be acceptable to many?

What is the alternative

This is not happening at least for 25 years, is what seniors I trust tell me.

I have asked more than a few dozen people on this, and the answer after some probing is that no other knowledge based career exists that one can move to which is not exposed to AI. While many talk about moving to a labour oriented career, no one has actually done this in my immediate network and friend of friends network. It's day-dreaming in my opinion.

you may be right on this hunch. but I think the old world is no longer there now :( more thinking is expected per unit time

Does not matter? I think the high compensation will be what will drive the compliance.

Noble thought, but words are empty. Have you perchance written up anything specific?

The only one who's written thus is Marx, but those ideas has not found broad socital support.

Nursing perhaps? It seems like caring for other people would be useful even in an otherwise runaway AI world.

Prospective clients ask Claude to do the work they might have hired me for

In all the 10 articles, I think this is the only thing really.

I think we have to learn how to overcome and thrive in the new world. The gravy of CS careers is gone for all :(

I guess a long way from "fucking loom smashing" then. Makes this whole thread moot.

Sure, hype pushback is fine.

When you say sabotage, how exactly?

Or is it limited to refusal to use LLM, which is a strategy, but more like becoming a hobbyist programmer then.

How long can you afford to stay in this phase? Is there some framework you can suggest where this path works?

the original post is an example of how. Every programmer is discovering slowly, for their own usecases, that the agent can actually do it. This happens to an individual when they give it a shot without reservation..

No this is still the "bargaining/negotiating" phase thinking. After this is when depression hits when for your usecases you see that the code quality and security audit is very good.

The author has arrived at resentful acceptance of the models power(eg: "negative externalities", "condemn those who choose").

But the next step for many is championing acceptance. Eg "that the same kind of success is available outside the world of highly structured language" .. it actually is visible when you engage with people. I'm myself going through this transition.

The response I get offline is that there's millions of seniors right now that can last a couple decades.

How much are you willing to pay? Is there any expectation of payoff?

Dude, the time for work is going down drastically, about a third of before. Are you not facing it?

To give you the benefit of doubt - you're not paying attention. The 100$ claude account is profitable inference wise, and performs better than 80% of engineers with upto 5YOE. Architects I speak with want to delegate to this 100$ agent rather than 10000$ engineer.

It is absolutely more cost efficient. Junior engineers are done for.