nicferrier

bad leadership?

as previously discussed here, threads are coming to emacs. there is a long standing effort to introduce them, here's the branch:

http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/emacs/concurrency/files

ok. interesting you think that. I do extensive team development with gnu screen but there are still times when I am trapped in my X window and behind my firewall and bringing someone into my machine would be an extensive job.

What I'm working on has 2 use cases:

1. sharing document editing from inside your local machine's emacs with someone else on the Internet (this includes things like quick code review or any of the use cases for etherpad) 2. sharing data from your emacs with the Internet in some way, for example with a mobile app. The current mobile apps for emacs data all have to rebuild the application logic all the time, well, an elnode based org-mode app wouldn't have to do that (for example). In the article I also use the example of the diary.

I believe someone is working on an emacs in guile. That's the right approach. I don't believe it's necessary or sensible myself. I like Scheme a lot. But Emacs resembles CommonLISP more than Scheme so for Emacs future CommonLISP seems the most sensible option.

Anyway, we're ages away from any of that. Although I do believe we'll see a more capable LISP inside Emacs within a few years now.

It has. One of the things that prompted me to do this is that all the other attempts seem constrained in ways that were not really useful to me.

An HTTP based tool will never offer the full power of emacs at the remote end. But it could be more than enough for most circumstances.

And that's exactly what I'm working on right now. It won't quite be an etherpad because doing constant diff is not a trivial thing... but bi-directional "live" editing session over the web will be possible.

I am a couple of weeks away from having something.

emacs already has lexical scope.

https://github.com/nicferrier/elnode/blob/master/elnode.el#L...

that's how you turn it on. you need a fairly recent version.

My bitbucket repo is here https://bitbucket.org/nic/emacs

but of course, the official bzr repo is good as well

nah. what can be done will be done. besides... it has it's uses.

of course, I would say that.

brilliant article very clearly illustrated.

so the thing in the screencast is not a message from a user, nor does it claim to be.

It's actually an experiment with a 3rd party to see if an automated response system converts people to our paid service well.

I didn't say you fabricated the story, I am taking issue with you claiming they are fake users, made by us. They are not, they're real users of the site. Could be there was a lot of spam on the site at that time - but we weren't sending you fake activity. You acknowledge that the lady in the picture was real.

We didn't do anything to stop these getting to you, as you say elsewhere in this thread. Since you weren't top online anymore (and if you're not engaging you also drop off the top of the 'online now' list) you just didn't get these messages anymore.

As for contacting us... well, I'm sorry, I guessed we dropped it. I've been trying to track down your email and I can't find it.

that's not a message from a user.

I can't say there aren't spammers using our site. that problem waxes and wanes and we try to deal with it as best we can. The user quoted is most definitely a spammer and I'll look into why we haven't caught that.

I don't think that's what robin is trying to say tho.

We are simply trying to make introductions happen as much as possible because that's what people use woome for. To meet new people.

It seems to work, to my knowledge our users are generally happy we have good time on site, repeat vistits and viping.

we do not.

right. I'm the CTO. I'm not sure what I can do to combat the perception that I sell snake oil. I don't sell snake oil. I help people meet each other.

If you really WANT snake oil I guess I could find some and get it to you.

I don't know what he received so I can't say. But our tools promote real users interacting with real users. Maybe Robin could talk to us if he has a problem.

Horses for courses not withstanding.

for the record, robin wauters didn't approach us to verify anything in the story and the accusations are untrue and misleading.

we focus very hard on getting people to talk to each other and interact and we have a number of features on the site, driven by users, that make that happen.

Ironically, the user featured in the pic is one of the longest standing and most active on WooMe.

devops makes so much sense to me because it's what I've been doing my whole career. The trouble is with the devops movement, as the blog says, the old tools and processes are sometimes still relevant. Sysadmins in that category 2 from the first comment need to be persuaded that a lot of their old skills are absolutely still usable. The example from the article, of bash scripts getting version controlled is a really good one I think.

And of course, sysadmins have a wealth of experience to bring to the way development is done. It wouldn't hurt if a few more developers learned bash and the different levels of RAID.

WooMe.com is looking for devops or webops people and people good with django and python and postgresql. Lot's of different types of work available, quite a few positions. See http://jobs.github.com/positions/da0182a2-e11e-11df-933d-bc4... for more info.

See http://making.dev.woome.com for our dev blog, and our github here: http://github.com/woome

London, UK or West Coast, USA but we remote work most of the time so we will consider a really good person from just about anywhere with good network.