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We have information that Claude distilled billions of copyrighted, and otherwise-created-by-others, materials for the development of their entire business.

whats with the downvotes...? I am agreeing with the article that this is all insanity. and just adding a ps that its annoying when people link to articles that very few people can actually read.

This is insanity.

p.s. Very annoying when people link to paywalled articles.

yeah, i dont understand, whatsoever, the folks who are running models locally other than for privacy/curiosity. It is surely FAR slower, more expensive (electricity + hardware costs), and worse quality. Better to outsource to providers who have optimized everything and costs are distributed/amortized across all users.

Perhaps someday local llms will be sufficient for coding etc, but it's going to be a while.

This entire argument rests upon the fact that Gemini Flash ain't cheap.

Try plan with opus 4.8 and then implement with Deepseek v4 flash - its 35x cheaper for reads, 90x cheaper writes, and 18x cheaper cache reads.

Or plan with Deepseek Pro, or even Flash itself. I've been impressed with both.

no...

Yes, agreed. The document is dripping with red flags - I only called out the surprise rule, but could have criticized the rest.

It may very well be a wonderful environment there, but I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if people get accused of improper behaviour that either didn't even happen, or the vast majority of the world would be perfectly in support of.

Agreed - the rule does not say, nor do they mean that the rule should be broken regularly. I was saying that because it is true, because it's not a good rule as written.

Once again, I'm reading (and quoting!) the rules exactly as wrttien by them.

it doesn’t matter whether they’re pretending to be surprised or actually surprised

Moreover, like the sibling to this comment, I take exception to the entire document but didn't bother to expound on the rest.

Another particularly concerning excerpt

You should not be afraid of breaking a social rule. These are things that everyone does, and breaking one doesn’t make you a bad person. If someone says, "hey, you just feigned surprise," or "that’s subtly sexist," don’t worry. Just apologize, reflect for a second, and move on.

Once again, no room for nuance, discussion etc. If someone concludes that you've broken a rule, shut up and apologize. Don't dare ask how/why, let alone disagree and try to start a discussion about the topic.

This is an environment in which professional victims/sociopaths could thrive. I've been baselessly accused many times of racism and sexism in places like this, which is not only laughable if you knew the context, but the other parties are the ones who weaponize their false victimhood in order to be sexist and racist (and corrupt).

It may very well be a wonderful environment there. But the rules, as written, seem like they're better suited to some sort of trauma-recovery facility, where everyone is enormously fragile and it is therefore extremely prudent to err egregiously on the side of "safety". But that, of course, is by definition not a healthy environment.

Once again, it would be simple to re-write or, perhaps better, replace the rules such that you don't need such ambiguity, nuance, explanations, debate etc... I already did it for one. Another such modification would just be a simple "no politics or religion" rule, which is common in hostels worldwide. Instead the opt-in rule for such topics just invites a mess.

They evidently want the rules to be as they are at this point.

But the fact remains that the rule is terrible. It's not about whether they tolerate transgressions (they'd better). Its that the rule SHOULD BE broken, regularly. If a rule should be regularly broken, it's not a good rule.

I wrote a brief alternative that serves vastly better and doesn't need paragraphs of nuanced explanation, and I didn't even put much thought into it.

That they haven't done so in 15+ years suggests that they think the rule is well-written.

Sorry for the ninja edits. Writing from phone and didn't think there'd be people replying right away.

Seems like we're in agreement. But I reiterate that it's not a good rule if it should be regularly broken, for the good.

Thus, for a project that's been around for seemingly a very long time, it's hard to imagine that they haven't had ample time and feedback to vastly improve the wording of it all. Thus, they seem to be content that it expresses exactly what they want it to.

I'm surprised by the "you are not allowed to be surprised, ever" rule. It puts me off of recurse entirely.

I shouldn't even need to explain why as it should be self-evident that policing/banning a completely natural and sometimes highly beneficial emotion/reaction is beyond problematic.

It seems like an XY problem - they implemented it to solve a genuine problem, without understanding the problem.

Like, the canonical example they give is

Dan: What’s the command line?

Carol: Wait, you’ve never used the command line?

Surely everyone can imagine at least two versions of Carol.

1. Condescending and dismissive. Indeed, that's not behaviour anyone should be tolerating.

2. Thrilled to be able to introduce someone to something new. She might follow that question up with "oh come on over here, let me show you! This will change your life." and proceed to try to teach terminal stuff. Isn't this the best sort of teacher, someone who is infectiously passionate about something?

Dan may still respond negatively to Carol2, but that's Dan's problem - he needs a therapist of some sort to address whatever insecurities he has.

Now, you might say "The rule is about FEIGNED surprise", which is Carol1. But it explicitly says

When someone acts surprised when you don’t know something, it doesn’t matter whether they’re pretending to be surprised or actually surprised.

Then goes on to describe the version of Dan that needs therapy

The effect is the same: the next time you have a question, you’re more likely to keep your mouth shut. An accurate name for this rule would be no acting surprised when someone doesn’t know something,

No, that's not how I or any other well-adjusted person would react.

A better name for the rule is "don't be a dick. Everyone is here to help each other learn and grow" (and there might be a separate rule/policy/resource about how people who have not yet learned how to positively and productively control their emotions - which I am not denigrating, simply pointing out reality - can seek assistance with that as well).

In the end, IT DEPENDS. But there's apparently no room for such nuance at Recurse...

Sorry to hear it. But perhaps your life will be better off without Xitter?

dont debase yourself. that is not something to apologize for

Its not evident to me that that is really a concern when datastar is so small, and most of the js is written inline.

Moreover, htmx can only do a fraction of what datastar does - you'd need to add on something like alpinejs to be able to try to fill the gaps. Both combined are much larger than datastar, and not nearly as integrated.

Doesn't saltman effectively have full control of the company?

I'm curious: why SPA rather than MPA?

https://data-star.dev is what you were yearning for, friend. It is more powerful, faster and smaller than htmx and alpine combined, and has all sorts of capabilities specifically for multi-player live reactivity.

But the point is that Datastar only exists because htmx rejected all of those ideas. Now it's becoming a cheap, more complex, less powerful, heavier copy of Datastar. Just use the genuine article.

hmm, im the same age and feel no qualms about mobile web - it almost always literally just different CSS on the same desktop site. That's the benefit of the web vs native.

i just clicked on one satellite and followed it as it moved. it crossed a continent in like a minute. Is that accurate? Seems too fast.

Moreover, are the satellites all moving around like that, haphazardly?

What generation are you?

Introduce "hundo p" and "hundy" to her

Very cool. You mentioned it is mit licensed - is it shared publicly somewhere?

its been a while since ive read a comment somewhere that I am so completely bewildered by. I understand about half the words, and none of the references, that you wrote.

Hope your teeth are doing better now!

As do i

No, ants are not the topic of discussion here... the original comment was extending the ant patterns to human communities, and the comment I replied to said they've been saying this for years (presumably about human communities). I'm trying to get rid of the misdirection and see exactly which ant colony practices people are saying should be done with/to human communities, and why.

just say what youre trying to say

may i ask in what context youve been saying this? I suspect it aint ant colonies...

If you were watching quality material, you wouldn't be scrubbing through it...

Eg I've just finished watching Andor for the 3rd time, normal speed.

Yeah it's the best web-focused blog on the web. As such, it regularly argues that the focus and battleground must be for browser access to device apis etc... Unfortunately the world is distracted by alternative native app stores.

I similarly don't think that bootloader unlocking and installing custom OSes is the solution - sure, would be nice. But it only helps like 1 in 10000 users, whereas a powerful web platform helps 100% of people.