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Looking at their website, reading through abit, and seeing the comments here. Guys, this website is entirely ai generated, which might indicate about their product some. Not saying that they are lieing or anything, but expect a wall of text that no one really read through, and expect to (pun intended) cipher out the details.

If we don't write the codebase, we don't write the tests, and the agents are modifying it, what even considered a messy codebase? Too many files? Too little files? Related code spread accros many files? What is considered a messy codebase?

Have you even seen one ever?

Also, not checking if it breaks unrelated tests is wild, good software is written by modifying the "just right" amount of code to get your result.

If you break _unrelated_ tests than you most likely didn't changed the right amount of code.

Idk I call bs.

The tiem that took experienced programmers to hand over their entire development process to AI was so remarkably fast, that it got me to believe that there are almost no programmers that enjoyed solving problems.

Once, my teacher in school told me that a software engineer needs to have some sadasim in it, because it will need to enjoy the pain of being stuck on a problem. I no longer believe this is true.

Most people are in it for the money, the status, the comfortable conditions, or maybe because this is the blue collar of the 21st century.

The people who are in it for the love of the game, are very little.

While I agree with the general message, and wish it will eventually radiate to cooperations as well, it is obviously a decision driven by feelings, not logic.

The idea that you can't trust code that was generated by heavy users of AI, because _they_ don't understand it enough to fix it, is false, because they can use AI to fix it.

In general, I have hard time understanding how one might even block other contributors from using ai.

I've felt this from the beginning. But I have yet found. A way to communicate this without sound like "that guy".

Truth is that when you give people a "do-for-me" button they are going to be clicking it like it owes them money, and that there is nothing you can say that will tame people down a bit. The truth is also that most developers are... Mediocre... They have hard time thinking, and have hard time having that hard time. So trying to convince them to go back is like saying to them "become mediocre again". And while with ai they are still mediocre, _they_ don't feel like one.

So here we are, and the only thing we can do is to wave and smile as our train is leaving the station.

Not that I care in particular

But claiming that google lost it's "moral compass" just now is a claim only rich people can make because they retire, not quit.

Google is literally the largest, most organized, tracking and profiling company in the world. Which they tend to grow even larger with the rise of LLMs.

Turning a blind eye of that for the opportunity or whatever, and than claim that _just now_ they lost their moral compass, is being a hypocrite.

We need to start putting guardrails on hn to not allow those esoteric projects to be published. Before ai, it was impressive that a person has that much passion and dedication to go down the rabbit hole, and it usually comes back with some cool anacdotes that are nice to read.

Today, it's shallow, emptied out of the content.

It's not impressive that Claude wrote it, it was impressive if you have written it, OP.

Claude Fable 5 1 month ago

is it just me, or this model is simply not available in cc?

the opus 4.8 I assumed wasnt available to enterprise seats, but it explicitly says cc that fable is available in cc. I can't find it, and im on latest version.

I often wonder to myself if we are the teachers protesting against the calculator.

The tool is undoubtedly useful, and it has been said that calculators also removed the need to do manual calculations.

I think the difference between LLMs and calculators is inherently small. Both are algorithms. And algorithms have already were making decisions for us before LLMs, so LLMs are a natural next step of the path we were already in. Deterministic or not, I think that's irrelevant.

So, in a sense outsourcing your learning is just the natural next step. If you look about it this way, you were already doing that. We don't need to learn how to play on tools to listen to music. We don't need to learn how to do complex calculations to do them. It's just not right to look at LLMs as different from other decision making, study decapitating, tech we already have.

Dumbest point ever. There is no value for this issue. I don't agree with the way they did the rewrite, but they did the rewrite, and this post contributes nothing, beside making the author seem childish. If it had any real contribution I would have waved it off, but it really doesn't. This tribalism and "I'm better than you"-ism and the same reason everybody hated the stack overflow community, and the rust community as well.

Companies will tell you that it allows them to examine many directions faster, and in a sense they are right.

Not doing something is much faster than doing it fast. Sit on your ideas, think them trough, dismiss early, or choose to move to implementations.

another behavior I noticed is that even you plan with an agent than a lot of business logic leaks to the code.

some states, for an example, are meant to be assumed from the data shape, rather than the actual state fields, but damn they like adding a state field.

I think the issue that majority of agentic developers don't understand their design fully. Those holes, perviously, were have to be closed by a person eventually, and inherently you gain understanding in the process.

This is not the case eny more. I never thought LLMs write bad solutions, but when you let it think for you you loose something important, understanding. And when something brekas, some people consider this being a proof that the llm is the problem. And in a sense it is. But you are also to blame. And that's exactly the issue with this all industry - in order to move faster you don't need to "type" faster. A person bashing his hands on the keyboard randomly at top velocity can get pretty high wpm. In order to move master you need to _think_ faster, be _snappier_ and _sharper_ and most people aren't.

I like how one of my colleagues phrased it in a company meeting. He asked one of the c levels "for llm s to 10x me, I need to let them make all decitions and dictate intentions. By percentage, how much of the code you want me to _know_?"

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Tiring reading this gpt (prob Claude) "enhanced" (generated) articles that are meant to ultrapump the AI industry. I don't know if it's the current lingering economy trying to hang on AI as it's savior, or people making written proofs of "ai hype" for their internet persona, but it's tiring.

I want to read about the issues with this new magical technology, and how are we trying to solve them, rather than MORE HYPE