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A direct thing he wrote is "Britain should be a kingdom primarily for the Brits", where previously he has unambigiously defined "Brits" and "native Brits" as "white British people". That's racist.

He links to some census statistics from Wikipedia about the demographic makeup of London over time, and then says:

In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third

Those figures line up with the "White British" row of the table: 59.79% in 2001, 36.8% in 2021.

So it seems pretty clear his definition of "native Brit" means "White British person".

Jelly doesn't directly integrate with Office365 or any existing shared mailboxes, at least not at the moment. You just forward email into it, from any source, and then use the Jelly web application to collaborate on those emails.

In the future we'll be looking at ways to streamline the setup with existing mail providers like Google, Office365 and so on, but we're starting out simple. There are lots of teams sharing logins to single email accounts whose lives we want to improve.

This is why Jelly doesn't price-per-seat -- other tools get expensive, fast.

And those other tools do a lot more too, and they're definitely a great choice if you've got great revenue and dedicated customer support "agents", or you want AI to answer your 10,000 daily support queries.

Jelly tries to serve the rest of us: companies, teams and other groups who just want to collaborate on email, and not get stung in the wallet every time somebody new joins in.

The higher tier also has a trial period, so you can go all-in using the sent mail sync, and then all-out, should you wish.

We (Good Enough) would rather help an unhappy customer exit cleanly, than keep you stuck using software you don't like.

If this is the only thing stopping you from using the service, get in touch with us and hopefully we can reassure you about how committed we are to helping you leave Jelly with all your data intact, if it turns out to be the best thing for you.

Quite a few comments now about how you can use forwarding or mailing lists to achieve something similar. There are definitely plenty of relatively-simple ways to _distribute_ incoming emails to multiple recipients.

But once the messages end up in your personal inbox, it's pretty hard for the other people you are collaborating with (or your family in the scenario here) to participate in the rest of conversation, unless you're willing to be extremely diligent with Cc/Bcc-ing.

It's also certainly possible to use things like labels or messages-left-in-draft to try and avoid stepping on each other's toes and coordinate responses. But again, you've got to be diligent.

What Jelly aims to do is make it _easy_ for non-technical people (and technical people who want something that "just works") to share email smoothly, without having to build the rules themselves or make sure everyone sticks to the system to keep it working well.

I believe if you want a Google Group Collaborative Inbox for an email address at a domain you own, then you need to be paying for a Google Workspace, which is currently something like $6/user/month.

Beyond that, Jelly has better design (IMHO!), can be used without needing a Google account, lets you discuss conversations inline, gives you an activity view for quickly seeing everything that's happened... basically, GGCI is fine, but we are laser-focussed on making Jelly a _great_ shared inbox for teams.

We'd love to chat more about your ideas though -- send us an email! You can find the contact details on https://letsjelly.com ;-)

Yes, what you suggest would work at distributing the literal messages, but it doesn't really support collaboration:

* It doesn't help with coordinating who is going to take responsibility for a conversation; * replies are stuck in your personal accounts (unless you remember to CC everyone); * there's no way of discussing conversations privately without using another tool; * you can't easily share URLs to conversations in other tools...

... you get the idea :)

For us, affordability is _part of the product itself_.

We’re specifically building this _not_ to hoover up every dollar on the table, but to serve smaller groups that have been left out in the cold by "bigger" tools, and who get screwed by per-seat pricing. We believe there are enough teams who fit this profile to be profitable.

There’s a difference between making profit and maximizing profit. the capitalists will call us crazy, but we're not here to maximize profit.

By this I mean that the existence of my consciousness does not depend on other observers perceiving me to be conscious.

The author doesn't recognise that they are an observer of their own consciousness; I would go further and say that consciousness _requires_ the conscious _thing_ to be an observer of themselves.

So, for me, the whole axiom "consciousness does not require an observer" is reversed.

Poetica 12 years ago

You can paste/import in many different ways, independent of browser.

The 'Poetica Button' is only available for Chrome at the moment, but I would very very surprised if they don't implement it for other browsers (based on demand) soon.