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We've been using RustPython as the Python interpreter for our project Kybra, which is a Python environment for the Internet Computer Protocol (decentralized cloud, where all programs are automatically replicated across 13-40 nodes). Wasm is the runtime environment on ICP.

It's been working quite well, though lack of C extensions is a problem. We're hoping to move to CPython once the wasi and C extension support is there.

But the project works, compiles to wasm32-wasi, and can execute on the live ICP network: https://github.com/demergent-labs/kybra

I believe most if not all of the missing features can be addressed and eventually Zwitterion could replace Webpack. I believe that non-bundlers will replace bundlers. Also, not all of the features Webpack provides I believe are necessary (like bundling) in forward-facing applications.

Great feedback on the README, thank you

Alright, I'm feeling bad about have a misleading title and I'd like to fix it. I can't change the title now without removing this post and reposting it. Do you have a suggestion for what I should do?

Exactly

If you really want it you can open and issue and try to be convincing...but I'm pretty set on moving forward with just ES modules. I attempted this in the past and compiling CommonJS to ES modules was pretty complicated at the time. I'm not sure it would be worth doing, but perhaps it would be. I want Zwitterion to be forward-facing

Zwitterion could add support for .svelte files rather easily

I encourage you to try Zwitterion, that's exactly its goal

No you're good! I just want to come through this with my integrity intact. Also, the browser-compatible Node.js libraries you spoke of above, those can be added to Zwitterion as well. I had something similar done in a previous version, but I removed it. All of these comments are going to be Zwitterion's roadmap, so thanks again.

Thanks for the feedback, seems like sourcemaps will be needed, shouldn't be a problem: https://github.com/lastmjs/zwitterion/issues/266

Zwitterion is not a bundler. I believe the world will move away from bundling, and that Zwitterion can replace Webpack eventually.

True, but you lose the enormous benefits of things like TypeScript and the latest JS features. We need the good old days of our dev process combined with the good new days of language features

I don't plan on supporting common.js. See this issue for CSS and images: https://github.com/lastmjs/zwitterion/issues/265

I will most likely add those soon. I will also be exposing a plugin system (currently it's just internal) that allows for others to add functionality that Zwitterion core will not support.

I think it's simpler. No bundling. You don't have to include a bundle file, you just include files directly as you would have without a bundler. That may seem like a trivial difference, and it could be, but it leads to simpler code and less of a delta between what you think is happening with your modules and what actually happens at runtime.

Exactly. Zwitterion relies on ES modules in production and development, so bundling is not strictly necessary. See the README for information on performance implications.

Yeah I've been seeing that too. I've definitely been working on it recently, I just stopped using semantic release which was doing GitHub releases, and I've switched to just using tags...which apparently aren't releases. I'll need to sort that out. Definitely under active development!

Exactly. You don't need any of that if you don't want it. You can write everything in your HTML file if you want, put your script in a script element (though there will be no compilation of the script element, if you want that it needs to be in its own file).

You should be able to set the MIME type: https://github.com/lastmjs/zwitterion#headers-file

In the case above, you would need to say type="module", because you are importing a module even if it is tsx. But, you should be able to set the MIME type for .tsx files with a custom header file

Hmm...excellent feedback! Thank you. I hope I wasn't dishonest with the title. I do believe Zwitterion has the potential to rival and replace Webpack eventually.

You have an interesting take that I'll definitely consider, thanks for being so thorough. Also, if you want to see this project come to life, would you mind jumping into the Telegram group? https://t.me/podcrypt

I won't start working on it until we have 100 people there

Thanks for the feedback. You will definitely be able to do something like you're suggesting. That's what I meant by "You'll be able to set how much you value each unit of time per podcast."

I think the point of this release is to open up operations outside of CRUD. I'm not sure if you've been following graph.cool, but they've been having a lot of churn over the past few months. The issue you bring up about CRUD has been addressed and is one of the main reasons for this new release, as far as I understand.

You can use Redux with Polymer projects. I've created an element for that: https://github.com/lastmjs/polymer-redux-store