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It's hard sometimes because say it's something that I wrote but someone else posted to HN, I've just had a lot of people's opinions foisted on me.

I'm relatively immune to a lot of things, but we're also entering a world where a lot of people can build and might not expect to have potentially millions of people critiquing their work to the level they do.

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I think we still skew back to an insanely high input token ratio when you consider agentic loops. For example, when I see the tools I use do a web fetch or a search or other tool use, it's an incredibly high number of new input tokens.

That's actually useful to know and it aligns with what I see (I wrote the cost post)

I still spend time in Bangor

I don't want to say Yes... but... given all of these tools are mostly built with JS and wrapped in a TUI we could probably go some way to having it run in the browser. There are fewer and fewer Node based APIs that haven't got a way to run in the browser.

I also implemented this in the example site in the post.

The title and content of my post?

Author of the linked post here, years ago there was a thing called "Magic iframes" that would allow you to move an iframe between windows - like a Service Worker before ServiceWorkers. I was always amazed by some of the things you could do, but now it seems we forget about iframes :D

You beat me to it. Thanks for sharing it

Author of the linked post here. This is actually a pretty interesting idea, I'll pass it to the team.

https://paul.kinlan.me/

I was Addy's manager when he was on Developer Relations.

He moved to an engineering manager role on Chrome DevTools many years ago and has recently just moved on to a different team. I don't think it's fair at all to say he's not a developer working on a product shipped to users when he led one of our most used developer tools, as well as worked on many of our developer libraries prior to moving to the Engineering manager role.

Here's the OSS repo for Google Opal: https://github.com/breadboard-ai/breadboard

Got it :)

As one of the owners of the GoogleChromeLabs org. Technically anything in this org is not officially supported as it is intended for prototypes and things that might graduate to more fully supported products if there is a fit in the market.

That all being said, I believe this particular change to this particular repo was 5 years ago.

I used it as an example because I felt the data was pretty clear. I also felt that it follows a very human pattern (generative tools need customers, like other tools before, so they go with what the industry is demanding).... but now we seen an acceleration.

Huh - that's actually pretty interesting and I hadn't thought of that as an option.. I know Preact was built as a faster alternative while being broadly compatible, but what you are describing is maybe even blending the technologies as that short circuit. neat.

Fwiw - I'm hoping it can break out too. But one of the biggest challenges is that last bit "asking it to use vanilla JS" - unsee this all the time in developer relations: getting developers to ask for a specific thing or even have it on their mind to think about using it is one of the biggest hurdles.

My actual long term hope is that in the future we won't need to think about frameworks at all: https://paul.kinlan.me/will-we-care-about-frameworks-in-the-...

Just to push back on this a tad. Yes there's growth React, it's popular, but it was consistent up until the introduction of some of the more popular code generation tools where there is a clear acceleration (if you believe builtwith.com data) in the last 9 months or so.

Author here. This is a fair comment. If you have a corpus that can be used as context already it's not like the LLMs will be forcing you in to React, there's probably enough bias (in a good way) to ensure the tool continues to be useful.

What I was trying to get at in the post is that net new experiences is where I see a massive delta

Author here. Fwiw this is my hope too. I wrote about something similar in the past https://paul.kinlan.me/will-we-care-about-frameworks-in-the-...

We had very few products that use the fugu apis., and I don't believe we were the first to ship them either in a production website.

If you're looking at fugu in particular (especially in the latter stages) we had external developers or businesses wanting the features.

Note: there are some apis that a Google customer wanted to use first.

Years ago I was invovled in getting something similar built for Google IO and Chrome - https://youtu.be/KOCM9_qGccY

It's there as soon as you load the page. I get it, this cookie prompt hides the important article and there's a heap of information share.

That's a fair point. I chose more so to document the experience and how I felt.... I can update the article if that helps.

It's not Chrome hallucinating, it's the websim that is generating the content.

The obit seemed mostly lifted from this.

GORILLA.BAS, no?

That being said, exactly the same here. My first program that was ever used by anyone other than me was a National Lottery number picker for my grandad :) saved him 20 minutes a week...

I hope so, I'm seeing fewer and fewer stores stocking Edge magazine directly.