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The Gaza genocide is the ongoing, intentional, and systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip carried out by Israel during the Gaza war.

What is happening is a war, there is no systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip, there is an ongoing war against a terrorist group that has so far refused to disarm which deliberately uses its own civilian population as human shields.

blockading

This is an act of war.

destroying civilian infrastructure, destroying healthcare facilities

When civilian infrastructure is used for military purposes it can be targeted in a war per international law.

causing mass forced displacement

Evacuating civilians from areas of high intensity combat is a good thing because it drastically reduces civilian casualties.

United Nations special committee and commission of inquiry

The UN has long ago completely thrown away their credibility when it comes to anything related to Israel/Palestine.[0]

International Association of Genocide Scholars

They have had some interesting members.[1]

The Gaza genocide has not been recognised by Jameshilliard.

There obviously is no Gaza genocide, there is a war in Gaza however.

at least 75,811 people have been reported killed

How many of those are combatants and how many were civilians?

including 270 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 560 humanitarian aid workers, including 391 employees of UNRWA.

How many of those were also employed by and/or worked with Hamas or other terrorist organizations? Part of the problem is that it's virtually impossible for these sort of workers to operate in Gaza without consent/coordination with groups like Hamas to various degrees.

Employees of UNRWA were directly involved in the Oct 7th attacks.[2] UNRWA is well known to have allowed Hamas and other terrorist groups to have positions at UNRWA schools.[3]

Journalists in Gaza have even held hostages.[4]

[0] https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250903112024/https://genocides...

[2] https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152841

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/08/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

[4] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/world/middleeast/israel-h...

The status has changed from 'untouchable' to 'could be next'.

The threats in the middle east against international shipping and regional energy infrastructure seem to have a similar threat profile to data centers and commercial warehouses. There are lots of large high value targets in the region that are hard to defend reliably against missiles/drone attacks.

One of the big problems in dealing with those threats is that terrorist groups like the IRGC or Hamas can be very hard to deter in general.

I bet that the protester action has been another startle more in a complicated week.

These sort of common and usually ineffective detached from reality protests are nothing all that new and are quite different from real military threats to infrastructure.

A lot of sellers in UAE and Russia lost a lot of money this year.

Were UAE distribution warehouses hit as well or just data centers?

Maybe it works in Switzerland due to high altitude reducing humidity?

I have a gas fired hydronic heating system but I still need AC for cooling(mixture of traditional and mini-split style units due to retrofitting requirements).

I'm also located in a high altitude location but for AC alternatives here we would typically see something like a swamp cooler.

But those old places are heated with oil, they're leaky wood construction, they have no option for cooling because there are no vents.

Ductless mini split style heat pumps are a common retrofit option for older buildings without vents aren't they?

I didn't read the article - tired of all the American articles in the press promoting ac for some reason.

When a heat pump is used for cooling it's effectively the same as an AC. The main difference AFAIU is that a heat pump can reverse for heating as well. I think when Americans promote AC they probably consider a heat pump to be just another AC variant.

To understand the significance of this infrastructure, consider who actually uses Industrial/Business Pool microwave systems: NSA field stations, CIA operational facilities, FBI secure data operations, Department of Defense installations, electric utilities, natural gas pipeline operators, high-frequency trading firms, and major bank data centers. None of those descriptions apply to a private vacation ranch in the high desert.

Isn't a private microwave link a fairly standard way to get high speed low latency internet to remote locations that have line of sight to a relay tower? The time period is prior to Starlink being available so I'm not sure what else you'd expect to see for remote low latency internet connections like this.

It's rather widely reported that Epstein paid quite a lot for private fiber connections for his island as well. There was apparently also a microwave dish there as well.[0]

[0] https://www.virginislandsdailynews.com/news/contractor-recal...

Palestinians in Israel are not permitted to convert to Judaism, so no there is no path to assimilate and join the majority.

This whole area of Israeli law AFAIU is rather confusing, keep in mind even many Jews are not recognized fully either due to Orthodox standards sometimes being applied, although there have been some more recent changes there I think.[0]

In practice though Palestinian/Arab Israelis probably can convert to Judaism in some form and since they would already be citizens the conversion from my understanding would not make much difference in practice for the legal status. Note that there are different congregations that have different conversion rules and there are also differences in how the Israeli government recognizes conversions for purposes of citizenship.

Palestinians living in the territories that are not Israeli citizens would have much more difficulty converting simply because it would be effectively impossible to covert within say the PA controlled parts of the Palestinian territories(since Jews are generally not allowed into those territories and I don't think conversions are typically allowed to be done remotely).

Between Israeli citizens AFAIU the only form of legal discrimination is arguably applied against non-Arab Israeli citizens(i.e. Jews, Druze) since they have required military service while Arab Israeli's do not. Arab Israeli's can of course still volunteer for military service so being classified legally as an Arab Israeli doesn't really have legal downsides from my understanding.

[0] https://jweekly.com/2021/03/01/israeli-supreme-court-rules-s...

you cannot become part of the ethno-religious group that the state is meant to represent. Not you and not any of your descendants, ever.

AFAIU Israel does accept conversions to Judaism so that's not actually accurate.

This is a classic of Israeli propaganda: justifying an actual wrong (discrimination, apartheid, occupation, murder, you name it) with the allegation that a worse wrong would be committed by the other side.

I'm not justifying actual wrongs, however Israel giving citizenship to all individuals who claim to be Palestinians is unlikely to result in a good outcome.

In other words, justifying actual crimes with imagined ones.

Just look at Palestinian opinion polling and it will become clear why giving citizenship to all Palestinians would likely result in a civil war.

Jewish history in Muslim majority countries hasn't been worse than history in European and Christian countries.

Jews lived as second class citizens in Muslim majority countries.

In many cases it was actually better.

That's not really saying much.

The Holocaust was perpetrated by Europeans, not by Muslims.

Yet there are far more Jews living in Europe today than there are Jews living in MENA countries(excluding Israel). Maybe Europeans largely learned that their past behavior was wrong while those in MENA countries largely did not.

Needing so many years to get the courage to say the world genocide, where everybody had seen for years Israel turning little children into little flesh chunks, slowly unfurl in horrid technicolor in world TV, is just another part of the problem. UN is useless.

People really should try to avoid conflating war with genocide, both typically result in some civilian deaths.

There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewish state, not in a thousand years, and by design.

About 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab so Palestinian integration into a state with a Jewish majority can work to a degree. The issue is that if the demographics were flipped it would be unlikely to work(i.e. basically all of Jewish history in Muslim majority countries).

The security council was built around the nuclear powers at the time.

That's not actually true, the 5 permanent seats on the UNSC were granted in 1945, well before any country aside from the US managed to develop nuclear weapons.

Those 5 countries did all eventually develop nuclear weapons and became nuclear weapon states under the NPT but that happened quite a bit later.

Or where they digging tunnels in grid patterns to every house in every neighborhood and under every street?

Tunnels were used by Hamas to move between buildings AFAIU, so large amounts of buildings would have tunnels under them, not to mention many buildings were booby trapped with explosives by Hamas so clearing the explosives often would result in the destruction of buildings as well.

What total moral bankruptcy to just blanked declare every civilian home and infrastructure as justifiable targets.

If they get used for military purposes then they become military targets is my understanding of how the rules of war generally work.

You do realise that Gaza isn't a separate country?

I'm aware the status of Gaza is somewhat complicated.

Not that it's the same country

Its status as a country at all is also not very clear due to only partial international recognition.

would require Israel to give it's citizens voting rights

I don't think Israel is very likely to give citizenship to a group of people when the majority of those people don't think Israel should even exist.

it's rights as an independent nation

They did try moving in that direction, with disengagement in Gaza, but it clearly didn't work out.

I'm not really sure what the best approach to the problem is right now, but presumably de-radicalization of some form is going to be needed for the Palestinians due to UNRWA schools and others teaching children terrorist propaganda, and that's happening even in the more moderate PA controlled areas.

And it is meant to maximize civilian causalities while doing ethnic cleansing.

Evacuation zones are meant to minimize civilian casualties.

Israel started that war, not civilians.

Which war are you referring to? Hamas started the war in Gaza and Hezbollah started the war in Lebanon.

It's that anyone who is keeping count can see that the amount of Palestinian civilians that have been killed in this war is a very very large number.

Civilian deaths are in line with what would be expected for urban warfare with the enemy hiding amongst the civilian population. Obviously creating civilian deaths is part of the Hamas strategy.

I'll bite, so the genocide is not happening then?

Of course it's not genocide(I assume you're referring to Gaza like most others who make this claim), there is a war against an organization(Hamas) that embeds itself within a civilian population(which is a war crime).

Israel is not murdering innocent civilians on a grand scale, be that by directly killing or by indirect ways of starving them out?

There is collateral damage(due to Hamas embedding within civilian populations) and various degrees of food insecurity, but there is no evidence of any mass starvation.

They leveled whole villages to ground and created "freely kill any citizen you see" zone.

That's a rather strange way of describing evacuation zones which Israel announces to reduce civilian casualties.

They made millions homeless.

When one starts a war, loses and then refuses to surrender or negotiate a peace deal...that's not exactly surprising.