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Cities have high property prices because they are extremely desirable.

There is scarcity which mean those selling can reduce the set of candidates by pumping up the prices. Its a simple mechanic, not a very sophisticated approach...

There must be a way of determining who has the right to occupy the scarce resource..

yes! exactly! We haven't attempted to examine the question let alone attempt to answer it.

Lets say we have:

1) renters serving small numbers of customers.

2) renters serving large numbers of people.

3) renters rarely serving the same customers.

4) renters regularly serving the same customers.

Lets say (for sake of simplicity) people spend half their income on rent, lets say we can infinitely increase rent as the bill is (inevitably) forwarded to the customer they serve (everything involving labor becomes more expensive) and lets assume perfect scaling.

Then you can (and we do) have a city where wages are low and everything ("produced" locally) is cheap OR you can have a city where everything ("produced" locally) is very expensive and wages are high.

You somewhat increase productivity by forcing out people who can only do manual labor but it doesn't scale nicely. Eventually the buildings only serve as investment vehicles rather than nurturing the cities productivity.

We should wonder where the money goes really. I have a mental picture where eggs are cheap but if you want a fried egg with a slice of bread it is going to cost you 100 times the price of an egg because the fried egg is mostly made up out of rent.

I think it would make much more sense to have government do the wealth extraction and to configure rent to have the proverbial eggs fried cheaply.

Cities not just import stuff produced elsewhere (because they cant do it themselves) but they also export a lot of valuable services. Those would be a lot more attractive if they didn't scale with rent prices 1:1.

I'm not claiming this is the holy grail, its a rather raw train of thought. It seems to me to have as much economic activity as possible one could force the price of the raw resources down by a whole lot. Forcing people to fry the egg at home doesn't make much economic sense, we can have professionals do it for you at scale.

It could be interesting to run the numbers on room service vs having your own kitchen? Why do we need a million kitchens in our city? They are just sitting there taking up space not being used? It seems as bad as having the empty buildings increasing their own value by making the resource more scarce.

One more thought:

Do we want university graduates or do we want land lords? Why would we want land lords to enrich themselves with money the students don't really have? The student automatically becomes an expensive employee. Education turns into a scarce resource. If it was a game (and it is) the "let the market figure it out" approach is easily defeated.

I've always considered the internet (in its current form) to be histories biggest book burning event. Hoarding rss feeds I often reached a point around 35 000 subs where the number of new ones I find is roughly equal to the deleted websites. I'm sort of stuck in a mental loop thinking of book burning.

this is something between a joke and a thought experiment.

    function cason(x){
    switch(x[0]){
      case "movie": switch(x[1]) {
        case "name"       : return "Interstellar";
        case "year"       : return 2014;
        case "is_released": return true;
        case "director"   : return "Christopher Nolan";
        case "cast": switch(x[2]){
          case 0: return "Matthew McConaughey";
          case 1: return "Anne Hathaway";
          case 2: return "Jessica Chastain";
          case 3: return "Bill Irwin";
          case 4: return "Ellen Burstyn";
          case 5: return "Michael Caine";
        }
      }
    }
    }

Can you clarify what problem you are trying to solve with this proposal?

Say we live in a town where we make all the decisions and our word is law. Our imaginary town needs 2 garbage men, one to pick up the bags, one to drive the truck. We need a truck, fuel, some place to dump, our garbage men need some cloths, a place to sleep and they need to eat.

We take some city land, build 2 house and a garage.

With them serving tens of thousands of customers we can both pay them a nice salary and make the service cheap.

Now we can add a 3rd person who does nothing and pay him a huge sum for his services. We can make fancy documents dressed up with powerful geometry and invent some fancy title for this 3rd person. Say we call them Lords.

With tens of thousands of customers it seems like it doesn't matter. They can pay an extra 100 bucks annually and we could easily finance the 3rd or perhaps a 4th person who also doesn't work. They could live in great wealth without anyone getting upset over it. We could lower the salaries from the first 2 and make room to add a 5th.

Then one day the plumbing starts to leak. It might be portrayed as if the Lords repair the plumbing but the reality is that it requires a plumber.

What I'm trying to say is that however complex we make the bureaucracy, the way stuff works hardly changes. At least not until the bureaucracy becomes so important than there is no more room for the work.

I think that problem can be solved long before.

No one is obligated to rent a property from someone else. You rent if you believe it's in your interest to rent, instead of buy. Why stop two consenting people from entering into rental agreements, both of whom believe it's in their interest?

In the existing formula our 2 garbage men are obligated to rent a property. The citizens will have to pay whatever the greedy unproductive landlords want them to pay.

That people can afford this only makes the problem worse.

It's consent only if the other voluntarily agrees. Individually they could chose not to be garbage men but that doesn't mean we no longer need garbage men.

Sure, we can have a thousand applicants and the winning one could be someone willing to drive 2 hours to get to work.

On a personal level that might seem like a reasonable way of doing things, as a town or city trying to organize it self its just poorly done. The citizens pay more than it costs and they are not getting anything for it.

We've sacrificed efficiency for exploitation. Or we've collectively done a half ass job organizing our shit and now we have to pay for it.

Some people prefer to rent: they don't want to be obligated to live somewhere for 10 to 30 years. They prefer to be free of commitments and loans.

There is never any obligation to live some place. That would be inefficient. If rent contracts are replaced by lease buy contracts you don't need credit. You can pay rent 12 months then leave. The land lord would be obligated to buy back your share of the house or he has to sell it.

Landlords also provide useful services to their tenants: they are responsible for all upkeep associated with the property.

I don't want their services because they are madly overpriced. I want the actual market to do these things.

Property owners are forced to tie up their assets in the real estate.

no no no, they chose to do this because it makes a good investment. We can regulate it to be highly undesirable to own property which will drown out everyone except those who really need it.

Lastly, landlords assume risk. If they can't find a tenant for their property, then it sits idle and they take a loss.

This would be the desirable mechanism. Sadly there is so much demand they would have to ask absurd amounts of rent to be able to not find anyone.

When you own property, you can lose a significant amount of money if the property depreciates, as happened during the last recession.

This can only happen if the market value grows beyond the new value. Don't feel sorry for investors. We are currently forcing people out of their home to satisfy all that greedy exploitation. Investors only risk losing part of their investment. Its not like they are out on the street like tenants during the great recession.

When you're renting, your risk is capped - you owe the rent but that's it.

I'm perhaps a lot older than you. I've seen many cases where people died and the relatives had to pay rent, clean out the house and return it into the claimed original state in less than 30 days OR pay some truly insane amount of money.

Say the previous owner build a garage, do you want it? Say they moved some walls around, put in a fire place and got a fancy kitchen? Say there are 20 trees in the back yard?

Mum died, you get 30 days. Don't forget to dig out the swimming pool as well.

Greedy unproductive cruel dictators they are AND they own you. Its a much to attractive scheme, it should be heavily discouraged in favor of economic activity, efficiency and quality of life.

I've paid the construction cost of my house 3 times now but every year I have to work more hours per month to live there???

Maintenance involved 1 phone call every 2 years and roughly 0.005% of the value of the place.

Almost every house on the block has the same owner. A decade ago we were allowed to buy it. Now they only sell houses to investors with the tenants still in them. The market value is about 7 times the construction cost.

They take 10 times the value of the house and not do any work.

If rather than me paying them they paid me the rent they would still be making crazy money without lifting a finger.

I work, other people have to pay for my work. Half of their money goes towars lazy greedy unproductive dictators. 1/3 of their money went to lazy greedy unproductive dictators too.

Then add taxes and they have to work 8 hours to get 1 hour of my labor.

And that my friend is ruining economic activity. Cut them all out and you will have an explosion of enterprise. Let the ponzi people take a risk and invest in that.

I didn't start pondering what is wrong until I see people having to pay rent for flooded houses.

Without risk it is not investment, it's pure exploitation and we are forcing people into it.

Its really simple. We should tax property AND rent to the point where it becomes unprofitable to hoard it for purposes of unproductive wealth extraction. Then change all rent contracts into lease-buy contracts.

You would accumulate a good percentage of madly overpriced rentals that no one wants then they go bankrupt one by one. You get those delicious market dynamics we [apparently] crave more than any social convention. Buildings should be hot potatoes that you don't want to hold for to long. With this much demand it wont even affect housing prices but even if it did, who cares?

Gradually, (in stead of rent) people pay tax at market rates. We can keep the large scale wealth extraction and continue to force people into productivity only it would be the government doing it.

The same logic applies as with the teachers, taxi drivers, cleaners, garbage men, restaurant employees etc: If you don't like it you can just leave the city. Get some of that delicious mobility going and gtfo. They can just leave for the sake of efficiency and availability. Its that simple: Just go away.

If you have to chose between [say] 1) a corner store OR 2) a land lord it should be obvious which one to get rid of.

If they are contributing to quality of life by selling food and employing people we should consider giving the store a tax cut. One could also extend the tax cut to the people working there and have cheap stores.

Its hilariously unproductive to have a usury scheme of greedy unproductive rent seekers extracting wealth from every transaction that is some how remotely related to real estate.

I just want to pay for the ice cream, pay the people involved in making the ice cream happen. Why would I pay 80% to someone who doesn't do anything I need?

Your thoughts are clear and interesting. It appears we've always had a ratio of 1, 2a and 2b with some collapses or perhaps even more illusive is the [slow] migration. Like paper gold, man-made diamonds or the private entity stops acting on behalf of the government and ends up owning it.

Its not about me but about the system as a whole of course. Likewise, it isn't about you. You are not the one paying for everything, we all do. If we optimize for lack of purchase power there will only be economy of scale for necessities.

It just struck me that we might be that we are missing the most important part of the topic.

You are not just saving whole cents left and right but in the process you will also be required to emotionally detach yourself. On the large scale the choice is really between engineering empathy vs psychopathy. If we minimize cost and maximize what people have to pay we cant be all to concerned with peoples well being.

I've had lots of other jobs, I can easily earn twice what I get now. I just one day had the rather silly realization that doing a lot of cycling to improve my shape is a lot of work. Its not work like a job, you have to push yourself until you cant do any more if you want to make progress. It seemed odd to do work without getting paid. It clearly is possible to be both productive and physically active.

You can imagine what it looks like, without a money driven thought process I do 2 times the work one could expect from an employee. You would think it is enough but that is not how the system works. There are other employees who are suppose to get more work out of me, they have no idea about the work, are really unfit and earn a lot more. My effort doesn't make cleaning cheaper or result in better cleaning. They just scale down the number of workers, get larger bonuses and the owners of the company make more money. With 2/3 already going towards the bureaucracy the 1 cent extra is really a joke.

For the people in those jobs to feel productive they have to emotionally detach themselves. I have to buy cheap products made by wage slaves who are probably much worse of, they might not be able to sustain themselves. I'm similarly forced to not overthink it.

Its not impossible for the animals I eat to see some daylight. Its not that if we abolish child labor or slavery the economy collapses. People are just making a lot of money telling that story or they need to tell themselves that in order to cope with the system.

If you can spend 1 euro extra and double a hundred peoples salary the money is the least of your concern.

"oh our precious search deal"

Where was the free and open source distributed search engine?

"oh we cant support any protocol or any other technology! We don't want to be promoting anything! Unless we get paid of course!"

Where was p2p video? Why no BitTorrent? Not to long ago hosting video on a server was crazy expensive but at that time people still visited small websites.

It should have been as simple as:

<video src="magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0b239d7ccff9c46e816ba4f4b3ff813bea3691f5"/>

But in stead we got youtube which is short for: adware, censorship, spying, completely unreliable, a crazy resource hog to the point of not working on hardware older than 5 years.

And then there is privatized law making & privatized law enforcement.

If I put stuff out there from my own computer from the comfort of my house I'm subject to plenty of laws and regulations created by my democratically elected governments.

There are no multibilion robots shooting from the hip, there is no false-positive punishment without dialog. If I break the law the situation is carefully examined, I get fined or even imprisoned. Its not a perfect system but its better than persecution by robot.

The Google constitution (TOS) is something like: We may terminate you at any time without explanation.

That's not someone you want to enter into a relationship with.

Something modeled after YACY should be the default search engine. Its wonderful, you have it crawl the pages you frequent and it finds everything, other users crawl other things, nothing google could ever do.

In stead, if I type "1+1" in the search box you send me to google to solve the problem.

there are 3 parties:

the end user searching for the content

the webmaster or author of the content

the search provider

If I'm searching for something that I know exists and I cant find it there is no excuse. The search provider failed to do its job.

There is not but the webmaster should have done this and that. He was hit by a bus 10 years ago and we should be happy the content is still available.

A good search provider would link a vanished website to archive org if the content is exactly what the customer wanted.

Long long ago when posting interesting links in comments didn't trigger commercial hysteria people would cite bits of texts and have a link to the full text. Later this became simply citing a chunk of text. I use to drop a few lines from the citation into the search engine and find the original work.

Just look!

https://www.google.com/search?q=Looks+like+only+page+6+is+in....

As i'm writing this there are exactly 45 search results above the one that should have been displayed.

There is no excuse like HN not ranking enough, they didn't not index the page, the other results didn't match the query better.

If we do this with 4 exact lines from a less popular site it will end up some place on page 20 of the search results.

Another example, I really don't care for indexing but here is an article that I always (jokingly) refer to as my greatest work.

The exact title:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+wrath+of+the+book%22

A really weird result. Safe to say nothing matching is there.

The first many words from the text:

https://www.google.com/search?q=I+think+someone+%28you%29+sh...

It doesn't find it.

Then we check if it is even indexed...

https://www.google.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.go-here.nl...

And there it is! Why does it even crawl the page?

It also lists websites that have the number 8616 on them and ones with both the word "blog" and "here" in the text.

I'm not suppose to laugh?

The postal service can send a box with say 10 * 6 TB hdd quite fast. Say 2 days for delivery.

480 000 000 000 000 bits / 86400 sec = 5555.56 mbit/s

And you can send as many boxes as you like in parallel.

Great stuff, I started doing this in 2006 but manually. I made an unofficial google toolbar for Opera[1] that (in the unreleased final version lol) also loaded the images from the search pages when one hovered over the toolbar icons.

It took a lot of tweaking to give it the right feel. imho it shouldn't start fetching to fast in case the mouse is only moved over the link. Loading to many assets at the same time is also bad. Some should preload with a delay and hovering over a different link should discontinue preloading the previous assets.

Perhaps there is room for a paid version that crawls the linked pages a few times and preloads static assets. Who knows, perhaps you could load css, js and json as well as images and icons.

Or (to make it truly magical) make the amount of preloading depend on how slow a round trip resolves. If loading the favicon.ico (from the users location) takes 2+ seconds the html probably wont arrive any time soon.

Fun stuff, keep up the good work.

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20130329183223/http://widgets.ope...

haha, I looked at twitter for 5 min after it launched, I laughed really hard and closed the page. The thought process was something like "Oh, they've maximized unusability! I should now go and learn how to have a normal conversation.... I think not"

Then my life flashed in front of my eyes (by lack of better words) and I recalled a million lengthy conversations that pretty much made me who I am.

There was a funny video with a professor and a twitter "expert" where the professor argued it bad. The twitter fanboy kept interrupting him half way his first sentence until he got angry and asked if he could say something now. The twitter guy then said: But I already know what you were going to say. I laughed so hard. The conditioning clipped up his mind into 10 sec attention bursts then he had to talk to himself out loud again. Nothing of interest was said in the interview. The twitter guy thanked him and said it was a wonderful conversation. The professor frowned silently and looked at him from the corner of his eye. It was the best "what a fucking moron" face I have ever seen.

The video makes the argument that long haul truck driving is the job killing people most effectively. Besides fatal accidents the lack of physical activity is reducing life span. 69% type 2 obesity, 17% type 3 obesity and 27% get < 6 hour sleep. He also mentions 50 000 driver shortage

wait, does that mean we should package other things in fruit and vegitable skins? I guess a hamburger in a coconut shell would work just fine. Squeezing ketchup out of a lemon will probably take a bit more getting used to but ice cream wrapped in a melon skin sounds just fine.

Fruit shall be more popular than ever after we replace the content with meat.

"human understanding" can wrap it self around very complex things. What I see is an endless repetition of: Lets rip out English and use Dutch from now on! Some time later: Laten we stoppen met Nederlands en op Chinees overstappen. Again, some time later: 让我们放弃中文并使用日语!

With the excuse being increased productivity because Japanese is easier to understand.

Assuming this would even be true it is only true if you put in the work.

Think of how many people use to know js and css. If they didn't pay close attention for say 10 years they are out. The effort put into progressing things failed to make things easy to use for them.

Therefore I think the future will be more about creating self explanatory tools.

All of the developer tools part of the OS smoothly working together without blaming the user for failing to live up to configuration challenges.

Make it so that we can put a newbie or a child in front of a highly complex repository and have him figure out how everything works without help.