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Thats a good point thanks

I find people who have never actually worked remotely before are all jazzed going full time remote. People who have done it before, like myself, will tell them it's not for everyone and has some downsides. Once people realize they can't just go snowboarding in the middle of the day and need to actively find human interaction to avoid depression and isolation while getting paid less they will change their tune.

The ideal setup is 1-2 days per week WFH and flexible WFH while traveling for the holidays so you don't have burn through vacation days IMO.

Most of what people talk about is going on a snowboarding trip while getting paid to "WFH" not the day to day reality of it.

The rate of budget increase increased dramatically without an increase in revenue.

IMO increased spending that requires a state that has no income tax to add one.

The numbers were listed in the next sentence.

Definitely true, also the anything near 16th Street Mission Bart is out of control. There are definitely nice parts of SF, usually on a hill, but the bad parts are BAD.

I think I heard Pioneer Square is bad, just walked there the other day and it's not anything like SFs bad areas. There could just be better options for homeless during the shutdown here than SF though. I will reserve full judgement until things are back open.

People are going to be surprised by the state of the FiDi in SF when things open back up. Many tents have gone up there with everyone gone and WFH. Going to be interesting when people go back to the office there.

I agree with this take but it's not going to be great for the SF devs that bought houses they can't afford.

Because they get paid $300k/year.

Agree, I am also from the midwest and don't get the superiority complex.

It might just be the current situation but I have seen maybe 4 homeless in 3 weeks in my day to day and I take a lot of walks. Could just be looking in the wrong spots but there were literally 20 tents on my block near Bart in the Mission so its an upgrade.

People are going to change their tune once the paycuts start coming. There is no reason to pay SF money to someone living in the Midwest. $80k a year is comfortable most places. I hope remote first people like the suburbs and country because there is no reason to live in the city with no office.

The real truth though is most people are far less productive remote because it requires proactive communication and self discipline that just don’t appear because now you are working remotely.

This is to virtue signal and get out of expensive real estate in Civic Center SF in Twitter’s case. That area is a zombie apocalypse.

If you are fully remote then anyone in the world can do your job. Supply goes up prices go down. I bet execs will get paid the same though.

Salaries will almost certainly be cut. If you can go 100% remote someone in the Midwest can do your job on $80k/year. All the places you listed are still expensive and if you are remote you don’t need to live there.

SF anywhere near Market or Mission is a 3rd world country. I just moved to Seattle. The QoL difference is striking.

Gonna be great when you get a pay cut according to your new housing costs.

Yep, most people can’t be as productive remote despite believing they can and bosses want to see their people in the office.

Getting sued because you happened to be in same restaurant as someone who got covid.

I can’t even imagine the levels of civil disobedience in America if a track and trace program is mandated. WA state, left leaning, already proposed track and trace to go to restaurants and already walked it back after pressure. People are starting to run out of money and food and they will turn to violence. We need to follow the same light social distancing approach as Sweden and Florida imo.

My parents put up grandma with Dementia in PA for about $50k a year in nice place. Are you drawing figures from movie star nursing homes in LA or something? Do you think the average American just puts a bullet in their head after 70? The household income in this country is about $60k a year. Your math is ludicrous.

$100k/yr savings over 10 years is $1M. Were you assuming someone would blow the money?

Health care is about $500 a month for someone in their 30s in the USA who is healthy. That doesn’t make up $125k.

Did the news about the death counts flattening and missing projections by a lot today bum you out? I can’t imagine having my identity so wrapped in Trump losing the election that I would be hoping for hundreds of thousand dead and the failure of the American health care system. Enjoy the next 4 years of the Trump administration.

None of your ad hominem counters the articles the other poster found.

So you don't think travel from China should have been shutdown until later?

I'm sure you read all the articles in 5 minutes but either way the mental gymnastics you are going through to get around the headlines reading "How our brains make coronavirus seem scarier than it is" etc is truly impressive.

Looks someone else already found a few great examples.

It's worth pointing out that Trump gave this order the day after or during the impeachment trial when it was risky for him to do so.

edit: None of this matters though because orange man bad.

You can look on Youtube yourself and see countless examples o MSNBC and CNN criticizing the travel ban on China because the virus wasn't any more dangerous than the flu.

Agree, I am saying rural America controls the food supply and is armed.