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Wayland has existed since more than 10 years and it has still not been able to release a usable system.

Fedora has has it on by default for about 4 years now and its perfectly usable. I use it every day.

The problem is much more serious than you are explaining. While using X, on my main monitor, UI and text becomes so small I can not even read it or click the icons. I'm not talking about the window size, but the UI and text size. With wayland the app can switch from 200% scale to 100% scale as it crosses the window border. On X you must pick either 100% or 200% and stick with it on all monitors.

Its extremely slow and does not support CUDA. I think the problem is nvidia blocks them somehow from changing the clock speed on the gpu so it gets stuck running in its slowest speed.

Wayland already provides a less buggy and more polished experience than X did for me. So I'd say job well done.

Hats off to the Wayland devs. We're cheering you from the sidelines.

Its pretty horrible how much toxic crap gets directed at the people who actually do all of the work. Just look at the amount of abuse has been flung at the SystemD developers from people who largely do not even know what it does.

You could try it in chrome which has wayland support. Wayland support was added to chrome and electron recently but it looks like most electron apps are on old versions.

The only downside is anything running in xwayland (Essentially just apps on old versions of electron and wine) will pick the scale of one of your monitors and not switch when dragged across the border.

For me I have a 60fps 4k monitor and a 1080p monitor. I want a higher refresh rate monitor for gaming but I do not want to drop down to 1440p on my main monitor so I am waiting for 4k high refresh rate monitors to become affordable. Wayland makes it possible to wait that out and doesn't break anything I do.

if this is really the future of desktop Linux, why doesn't it gain more momentum?

Nvidia is the major blocker here and there is very little wayland devs can do to fix this. Fedora has actively discouraged using the proprietary nvidia driver for a while now and they ship wayland by default since the open source driver works fine. I saw that ubuntu is also shipping wayland by default soon for amd and intel users.

The problem has been crippling the Linux desktop for many years now and it still remains unsolved in X which must indicate that either it is not realistically possible or it is so much work that no one is willing to do it and likely never will.

The transition to Wayland is largely finished now. Electron added support last year and eventually the last of the electron apps will update and everything will be done other than nvidia proprietary driver support.

There are so many minor improvements from wayland that are less noticeable like the lack of screen tearing, the possibility of sandboxing apps.

Its almost always cheaper to just buy a mac mini than to rent one out 24/7 though. I think Apple also made a tos change banning renting them by the hour as well.

Its different based on what service you use but pretty much all of them just involve dropping a line of curl in to your crontab file to run every minute.

Its a valid comment. I tried to run synapse on a reasonable VM and it was unusably slow. Essentially you either use the main server or you are a large org that can pay for a powerful machine to run it. The average person can not run a matrix server.

Installed it in the second quarter of 2020 but I just checked my isos folder and it looks like I have ubuntu server 19.10. Good to see python 2 finally kicked out.

Because governments outsource everything possible and end up with no persistent talent that really understands whats going on so you end up spending all the money on interfacing with contractors.

Plain old HTML stops being responsive as soon as you try to do anything more than text. A plain HTML table would be horrible on mobile. If you want to reflow anything that isn't text you will need flexbox. There is literally no reason to not use CSS to make a site that works well on mobile and desktop.

Yes, either that or put up with the many problems of X

Every day I become more and more of the opinion that Fedora/RHEL are the only distros that are actually worth using. I recently installed ubuntu server to see what it was like compared to fedora server and was shocked to see that the python package still links to python 2 (!) despite it already being officially discontinued.

Fedora Silverblue/CoreOS look like a massive step in the right direction which no other mainstream distros are working on.

Fedora also seems to be the only distro willing to set sane defaults for everything (SELinux, Wayland, CGroupsV2, soon to be pipewire, python 3) while every other distro waits around for someone else to make the first move.

No one who understands wayland was under the delusion that wayland would protect against an application which has full access to your user directory. Wayland becomes secure when combined with an application sandbox using SELinux/flatpak. Previously you could sandbox the app and X would provide an escape.

To limit what malicious software that runs as one's user can do, one must limit what the user can do

This is completely untrue. You can gain root access on Android and have full access to do anything while still keeping applications sandboxed. Limiting user freedoms is simply an extra thing that came with new mobile OSs.

You don't have to, package maintainers and developers do. Flatpak gives them the tools to do this. Flatpak solves a lot of other problems like making program installs a user level task without touching the OS. Which is needed because in the future the OS will be an immutable image.

There are like 10 weak points in the linux security model. Wayland plugs one of them but there are still a bunch of ways around it. Yes any program you install from the package manager can still see everything but wayland combined with flatpak and SELinux gets really close to a secure system similar to MacOS.

If you actually use a modern config like the defaults on Fedora it all just works. 100% of these problems come from people trying to use the proprietary nvidia drivers which is filled with issues.

I was able to get per-monitor scaling to work

X11 is not capable of doing this properly. Wayland is and as you probably know, nvidia refuses to support it which is out of the control of linux developers. You can get everything working if you use the open source nvidia drivers but then they run slow as shit because nvidia blocks them from setting the clock speed on the gpu.

Basically every problem falls back on nvidia and the linux desktop people have done everything in their power to make it work.

It would be nice if distributions would do a better job of handling this for you

They did, its called wayland. If you want to use a legacy tool you shouldn't expect it to work as nice as the current generation software.

but everything has worked almost flawlessly.

Its because everyone having issues is using X and likely 2 monitors with different dpis. On wayland its pretty much flawless unless you use 2 monitors at different scales and load an X application.

All I know is the gnome settings has a scaling section and everything respects that scale.

Electron is the biggest offender these days. I saw that they added support a few months ago but it seems the apps haven't turned it on yet

Our office lost internet connection for a day. We just connected to our phones and continued on.

I have been a react developer for 3 years and I don't even know how you set up a react project from scratch since it was already done when I started the job. I assume its pretty easy with lots of info available online though.

I usually only remember there is a thing that does what I want but not its name or exact usage.