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Head of Product @Cape (https://cape.co), previously VP Product @DuckDuckGo.

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Thanks for trying us out and for the feedback. We are have had some bugs with voicemail that we should have resolved now. And improving the network is our #1 priority this year. Hopefully you'll give us another shot down the road!

We don’t operate our own towers and as you point out we can’t control what someone there does. Our privacy and security model is to treat the towers as untrustworthy. This is why we do things like rotate your IMSI daily or split your traffic across multiple underlying network partners. We want to make any data that is collected noisy and less valuable to data brokers.

It depends what your threat model is. Most telco data collection and resale is based on IMSI’s attached to KYC’d customers. If they can’t get personal information and the IMSI looks like it’s a day old, that data is inherently less valuable to data brokers. The large telcos have plenty of clean data with stable IMSI’s tied to KYC’d customers that is worth more.

This is valid feedback and it’s on us to earn trust over time through our actions. I will say that Cape is a company of almost 100 people from many different backgrounds. Prior to Cape I spent almost a decade at DuckDuckGo. We’re a group of people that is frustrated with the status quo in the telco industry and want to do better.

One of the efforts we’re working on now is an audit of our data retention claims. We recently posted an RFC on Reddit if anyone from this community has input: https://www.reddit.com/r/CapeCellular/s/zTn7HQ0emo

We plan to continue to do more things like this that increase transparency and build trust over time.

This is good feedback. We don’t want caps and throttling to be a blocker for signing up and using us. Since we’re at a premium price point we should economically be able to be a lot more generous than existing carriers.

Appreciate the feedback, we’ll likely experiment with different plans down the road, but for now we’re focused on rolling out as much additional privacy/security value as we can to justify the premium price point.

Appreciate the shoutout. We love what Apple is doing in this area. There is a lot of room for them to help improve things at the modem/hardware/OS layer.

On the tower question, you’re right, we can’t control what data is collected by the tower owners. Like I said above our strategy is to add noise through a variety of methods that makes it harder (not impossible) for anyone collecting data to track you. We also give you multiple phone numbers. I think this stuff adds up and is a meaningful improvement over the status quo for most average user/citizens.

I like to use the organic food analogy. If given the choice, why not choose the carrier that is actually making an effort not to track you vs everyone else who clearly doesn’t care?

Hi -- Head of Product at Cape. This is a good question. I will say up front there is no silver bullet for privacy on cellular networks given the way they were designed to interoperate. Our strategy is to offer many different protections that collectively make it harder for your activity to be tracked.

The details of what our carrier partners can see is in the table at the bottom of our privacy summary: https://www.cape.co/privacy-summary. We add noise to their data by doing things like rotating your IMSI daily and spreading traffic among multiple carrier partners. If the data is messy enough and not associated with your personal information, there should be less monetary incentive for the carrier to try to piece it together when they have an abundance of clean data with stable identifiers and verified personal information.

Additionally, with disappearing call logs, it's about reducing surface area. Fewer logs in less places.

Thanks, appreciate the post and questions.

On throttling, I can’t share exactly how it works, but we are doing the bare minimum just to curtail runaway abuse. You will most likely not notice.

We are exclusively eSIM, and compatible on all iPhones that support eSIM.

Happy to answer any other questions and feel free to send along any feedback if you end up trying it out.

This was in fact an issue with queries containing quotes on our /lite and /html sites. It should be fixed now. Let me know if you see any other issues.

What happened is we frequently get hit by bots trying to scrape the links from our /lite and /html sites and we have to react by creating rules to try to block them. This particular rule, was over-aggressive. Our ops team is going to discuss internally how to prevent something like this from happening again.

Thanks!

Disclaimer: I work for DDG.

I'd be interested in looking into any examples of searches where the results aren't good enough or where it seems to have gotten worse recently.

As far as I know there haven't been any changes over the past few weeks that would have made things worse.

Try selecting the Classic theme in the side menu. It has blue/purple links, darker description text + full urls.

We have implemented a bunch of the feedback from the original discussion. Detailed release notes were posted in the forum: https://duck.co/forum/thread/5747/duckduckgo-beta-refinement... https://duck.co/forum/thread/5851/duckduckgo-beta-refinement...

We also added themes (in the side menu) to address some of the feedback on contrast. Classic theme reverts to the color scheme of the old site. And you can fine tune the individual colors further in Settings.