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I know. Apple, too. Can't get more closed and locked-in (outside of Oracle).

I've tried them all.

- I don't want to return to C++

- I dislike javascript for large projects because even the best tooling is lacking, and the exploding dependency count.

- I love C#, but WPF renders worse than Electron (and Windows only).

- WinForms - mothballed.

- VB6/Delphi are EOL.

- UWP - Very lacking, will probably be abandoned.

- Java - I have no experience.

It will be a case of Flutter sucking less than the current options. Dart is actually a nice language, especially considering the runtime size - there's no framework overhead/bloat.

I imagine it to be Electron, but with a decent set of widgets and without the overhead.

Edit - to answer the main question:

Personally, I wouldn't develop anything more than a throw-away or personal project right now, but it's worth keeping an eye on it.

It would be nice to have a cross-device framework.

because they are prepared to do work locals are not, at a price that locals will not consider.

Fortunately, those locals are able to purchase their produce at a lower price, with the benefits they claim which is being paid for by the migrant's taxes.

It's give-and-take.

At a butt-in-seat job, I'd turn up on time and leave on time - and that's the end of it. If during those hours I happen to be in an unproductive mindset (eg, unable to concentrate) then so be it. I'm paid for my time. If I happen to be in a productive mood after hours, their loss.

Now that I'm working remotely, if I'm feeling unproductive then I will stop work and do something else (shopping/walk/etc.) and resume when I'm more productive.

I also don't mind being contacted out of hours (I'll decide if I'm busy or not) - they're flexible with me, so I'm flexible with them.

They'll get the same number of clock-hours from me, but with more work output.

I said "most". They're a one-trick pony, mostly thanks to manipulation.

And now this. Vulgar images, available directly from your start menu.

resolve to 127.0.0.1

I wish people would stop using my IP address!

If you want to play the "think of the children" card, then let's start by discouraging development on Windows.

Can you imagine if they created, for example, core-utils?

A shame Steve Jobs isn't around to join in.

Sorry for being flippant. I knew what you meant, and I do agree with you.

"Sorry boss, I won't be fixing BUG-332 - I don't use that browser"

And also whatever you type into the start menu.

The browser is looked upon as the portal to the Internet.

When accessing web-sites over a public network, I sort of expect (not necessarily like or agree) to be tracked and others to know what I'm doing. I'm always in the mindset of "what ever I do within this window, others will see" (regardless of browser).

For what I do on my local desktop? No. Not at all.

What about you? You think the opposite?

I mostly agree with everything you said.

But I speculate, a good collection of today's "chrome leavers" here already use another browser - and are just adding fuel to the fire.

Or, they're not actually leaving chrome - just threatening, because they care.

devs will not optimize of it.

Yep.

I have been a FF user since.. well, Netscape. Yet, FireFox-specific bugs have always been a lower priority.

Because, it's "a bug effecting 100 users" vs "a bug effecting 900 users"

When you consider FF users are harder to monetise (admit it, we generally are), you can start saying "a bug effecting ~50 potential customers, vs ~800".

*(fortunately, now that IE/Edge is out of the picture, those types of issues are rare)

talk about moving away

It's just that. All talk. Including the usual empty threats of "don't piss of the technical people".

Meanwhile, they're still logging into Facebook using Chrome on their Windows machines.

Not really. IE's "killer feature" was ActiveX. Which meant that any browser limitation could be worked around.

But there was competition, that's why they made the original effort. Once the competition was killed, they stopped.

Sure, they wanted it to be the best browser - but not better than desktop.

If that where the case, FireFox would have overtook IE.

IE lost users because it was abysmal. And the reason for that was they wanted to keep people on the desktop.

Who knows... if IE was already as good as early Chrome, perhaps there would be no Chrome.

Right.

But there's a certain amount of irony that people are ditching Chrome, while still using an OS which literally does spy on you.

it remained logged in across private tabs.

If you mean "Incognito mode", then that's always happened. You need to close all tabs.

Exactly the same for FireFox's private browsing.

That didn't happen to me.

While still using Windows...

Possibly.

Their gain?

- Less of a monopoly status.

Their losses?

- The privacy concerned.

- Ad-blocker users.

- Over-opinionated users.

Good move, for them.

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I also met my Wife on IRC, ~20 years ago (after chatting for 2 years). Explaining then to people how we met was difficult, so we ended up just saying through a mutual friend - which was also true.

I strongly doubt it we would have met, in this day and age. The mainstream online socialising of today is superficial and desperate.

Today, a remote worker, I communicate with my colleagues over IRC. It's rare that I'd speak to a stranger on it.

I like those stories.

Although in this case, it's possible to disable power saving.

(or have they stopped that, too?)

Yes. Been there, done that.

I was wondering what it was I could have done. I was thinking of all the "grey area" things I may have been up to - then I paused and thought: "why am I concerned they could know so much?" because it's possible.

That was the final week I used Windows.

It will get worse before it gets better, and I'm actually thankful.

Despite the two companies collaborating on an app based on HTML5, Microsoft's app is still breaking YouTube's terms of use.

"Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience, and has instead re-released a YouTube app that violates our Terms of Service - It has been disabled. We value our broad developer community and therefore ask everyone to adhere to the same guidelines"

https://www.theverge.com/2013/8/15/4624706/google-blocks-win...

My impression was Microsoft being arrogant. Besides, Windows 8/10 users could still access YT via web.

That attitude just adds to the problem.