https://developers.google.com/program/plans-and-pricing
Am I in the right place here?
(so confused at google's plans and pricing)
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30 year software developer, founder, startup scaler. Looking for something fun and new.
https://developers.google.com/program/plans-and-pricing
Am I in the right place here?
(so confused at google's plans and pricing)
I’ve been paying $125/mo (promo pricing for the $250/mo tier) for Google’s top-tier “AI Ultra” subscription for about a month.
I signed up because I’m a power user. I manage large repos, build my own MCP tools, and live in the terminal. I assumed “Ultra” meant “Pro Developer.”
I was wrong. I downgraded to the $20/mo plan today. Here’s why other developers should probably avoid the top tier.
The “Double Pay” paradox
The subscription gives you:
The Web UI (Gemini Advanced)
30TB of storage
It gives you:
Zero API credits
If you use modern AI coding tools like Aider, Cursor, or your own CLI scripts, you still pay per-token for the API.
My bill:
$125/mo for the subscription
~$50/mo for API usage
Reality: I was effectively donating $125/mo to Google for a Web UI I barely use, because I work in the CLI.
The “official” CLI is broken
I tried to use the official gemini-cli to avoid API costs. It’s unusable for agentic work.
There’s a known, persistent bug where the CLI crashes with a 400 Bad Request error whenever the model attempts parallel tool calling (a standard model feature).
Error: “Please ensure that the number of function response parts is equal…”
These issues have been open for months:
Broken auth: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/issues/11925
Parallel tool crash: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/issues/13292
Shipping the org chart
The pricing only makes sense if you look at Google’s internal structure:
Google One wants to sell storage (30TB bundle)
Google Cloud wants to sell APIs (Vertex)
DeepMind wants to ship models
“AI Ultra” is a Franken-product stitched together by the storage team. There’s no billing concept for “individual developer who needs API credits,” so instead you’re forced to buy a data center’s worth of hard drives.
The feedback black hole
There’s no way to get this feedback to someone who can act on it. You can’t file a ticket that says “your pricing model ignores developers.” You just shout into a generic feedback form.
The fix: unbundle the intelligence
What’s needed is a real Developer Tier:
Give me: high API rate limits + API credits
Charge me: fairly for what I use
Until that exists, I’ve downgraded to the $20/mo plan and moved the rest of my AI budget to Anthropic.
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Hinge Health is the leading provider of digital musculoskeletal therapy, basically we provide an app that enables exercise to improve conditions such as knee or back pain (it works, see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32208358/). We change people's lives for the better every day and we get to read their feedback. We’re looking to hire full-time developers, across our stack, technologies we use are typescript, react, react-native, ruby on rails, node.js, python, and more -- ultimately we want to use the best tools for the job in a microservices environment.
We’re thriving as a business, valued at ~$6 billion during the last round of funding. Additionally we have SRE. QA engineer, hardware, embedded software eng, health coach, management, product and design positions available.
All job details here: https://jobs.lever.co/hingehealth?lever-via=WtnmBNTQJD
Hinge Health | All Levels, Engineering & Product | SF, South Bay, LA CA, Portland OR, Boulder/Denver CO, Austin TX, Minneapolis MN, Chicago IL, New York NY (WFH/REMOTE during pandemic) | https://www.hingehealth.com/
Hinge Health is the leading provider of digital musculoskeletal therapy, basically we provide an app that enables exercise to improve conditions such as knee or back pain (it works, see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32208358/). We change people's lives for the better every day and we get to read their feedback. We’re looking to hire full-time developers, across our stack, technologies we use are typescript, react, react-native, ruby on rails, node.js, python, and more -- ultimately we want to use the best tools for the job in a microservices environment.
We’re thriving as a business, valued at ~$6 billion during the last round of funding. Additionally we have SRE. QA engineer, hardware, embedded software eng, health coach, management, product and design positions available.
All job details here: https://jobs.lever.co/hingehealth?lever-via=WtnmBNTQJD
Hinge Health | All Levels, Engineering & Product | SF, South Bay, LA CA, Portland OR, Boulder/Denver CO, Austin TX, Minneapolis MN, Chicago IL, New York NY (WFH/REMOTE during pandemic) | https://www.hingehealth.com/
Hinge Health is the leading provider of digital musculoskeletal therapy, basically we provide an app that enables exercise to improve conditions such as knee or back pain (it works, see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32208358/). We change people's lives for the better every day and we get to read their feedback. We’re looking to hire full-time developers, across our stack, technologies we use are typescript, react, react-native, ruby on rails, node.js, python, and more -- ultimately we want to use the best tools for the job in a microservices environment.
We’re thriving as a business, valued at ~$6 billion during the last round of funding. Additionally we have SRE. QA engineer, hardware, embedded software eng, health coach, management, product and design positions available.
All job details here: https://jobs.lever.co/hingehealth?lever-via=WtnmBNTQJD
PayPal refuses to let heirs access, or even know if there is a balance on accounts after people die, regardless of death certificates. I wonder how much money is being held by this tactic?
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Hinge Health is the leading provider of digital musculoskeletal therapy, basically we provide an app that enables exercise to improve conditions such as knee or back pain (it works, see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32208358/). We change people's lives for the better everyday and we get to read their feedback.
We’re looking to hire full-time developers, across our stack, technologies we use are typescript, react, react-native, ruby on rails, node.js, python, and more -- ultimately we want to use the best tools for the job in a microservices environment.
We’re thriving as a business, and received $300M series D funding in January, at a $3 billion valuation.Additionally we have SRE. QA engineer, hardware, embedded software eng, health coach, management, product and design positions available.
All job details here: https://jobs.lever.co/hingehealth?lever-via=WtnmBNTQJD
Hinge Health | All Levels, Engineering & Product | SF, South Bay, LA CA, Portland OR, Boulder/Denver CO, Austin TX, Minneapolis MN, Chicago IL, New York NY (WFH during pandemic) | https://www.hingehealth.com/
Hinge Health is the leading provider of digital musculoskeletal therapy, basically we provide an app that allows people to use exercise to improve conditions such as knee or back pain (it works, see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32208358/). We change people's lives for the better everyday and we get to read their feedback.
We’re looking to hire full-time developers, across our stack, technologies we use are typescript, react, react-native, ruby on rails, node.js, python, and more -- ultimately we want to use the best tools for the job in a microservices environment.
We’re thriving as a business despite the pandemic, and received $300M series D funding in January, at a $3 billion valuation.
Additionally we have SRE. QA engineer, hardware, embedded software eng, health coach, management, product and design positions available.
All job details here: https://jobs.lever.co/hingehealth?lever-via=WtnmBNTQJD
https://vim-adventures.com/ -- this one is perfect for kids (and free iirc)
Arstechnica coverage: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/01/seeed-and-beagleboar...
Partly,
“Jackson Palmer, the founder of Dogecoin (who has since left the company), told CoinDesk that “it says a lot about the state of the cryptocurrency space in general that a currency with a dog on it which hasn’t released a software update in over 2 years has a $1B+ market cap.” “
http://fortune.com/2018/01/08/dogecoin-hits-all-time-high-2-...
Dogecoin
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How disappointing - the blank key model shown is discontinued - https://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/truly-ergonomic-mechani...
Slower than I thought on this... seems to have been closer to ~12pm PST - http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/15/7397269/ars-technica-is-t...
Is asking tech journalists you've just met to write about your startup considered annoying?
To be fair to Altman - his article touches on costs: "(assuming, of course, that they can afford the wildly-out-of-control housing costs, which is probably the biggest weakness here right now)"
Interesting take though, you argue that the issues generally considered the biggest problems of SV, are the cause of its success.
Why I agree with article
Emailed link to me from twitter redirected to http://imgur.com/uazq6A9 http://i.imgur.com/uazq6A9.jpg
Summary a big slot is dedicated to Westboro Baptists hate tweet.
This was labelled news. In what universe is it ok to have direct tweets from WBC promoted as news content. Free speech is one thing promoting hate speech is another - big fail twitter.
Plastic eating bacteria? http://www.scientificamerican.com/slideshow/gulf-oil-eating-...
It's a community contributed article - shame DigitalOcean didn't audit it properly though.
Totally agree with the article, certs are a the biggest money making racket out there, and a pain in the ass. Certs should be issued with the domain by default no extra cost.
ditto on mac safari.
Sadly - if any aspect of your business is conducted in California (e.g. you reside there) - that minimum $800++ is still owed - regardless of where it's incorporated.
This thing is so experimental that it may just make your head explode... Especially if you forget your password, as that is the only way to recover any stored Bitcoins!