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The idea of keeping their culture, especially focusing on Amish, is not as rigid as many think. Many forget that the Amish, as a split off group from the Mennonites already had an immigration phase before going to the US. They came from Switzerland and north-eastern France and were forced to settle into southern Germany because of repressions.

Oddly enough they chose to assimilate with the local populace or at least transplant the ideals of anabaptism, thus adopting the local rhine-frankish dialect, instead of keeping the romansh or french dialects. They specifically chose to not repeat that when coming to America, for whatever other reasons they had.

If you ever plan to visit this region for research, try to get to Kaiserslautern, less than an hour southwest of Frankfurt.

I don't know where exactly (which village) your ancestors started from here, but this will be the town where you will have no trouble getting started as everyone here is able to speak English and a lot of US citizens living here (due to the Ramstein AFB 5 minutes away).

And if you want to practice standard german, this will be the perfect middle ground to get to know dialect speakers who also are able to communicate in standard high german and are comfortable with english.

Don't you use the word in expressions like "ihr liewe Leit" (we usually use it as an expression of astonishment, seldomly to address a group of people) or "es lieb Mädsche" (the /nice/lovley girl)?

I know only palatinate concept of "lieben" (that i would pronounce it "liewe") and the only distinction i can think off is the same problem chinese learners have with 爱 and 喜欢[https://mandarinbean.com/ai-xihuan/].

It is hard to describe, but I share the same feelings of the author when it comes to expressing love, affection or sadness. It's strange and hard to describe, even though we also use the SHG "lieben", but it still doesn't feel right if we are trying to speak in "Pfälzisch" about it.

Not only that, but it's odd, and it looks like they took and maintained the same sentiments we had 150 years ago and still use and share today.

We can understand them! Especially if you are ready and used being hit with interjected English words. It is hard to get used to it the first few minutes (i speak two other languages, language switching is always hard for me), but once you know what to look out for we could be talking interchangeably.

My teacher in high school went there over 40 years ago, and he said, he never had any trouble. Listening on youtube to some samples i still can, and it sounds just like older people from my village, which younger people often can't understand, especially as these older people tend to mumble and speak faster a lot. Pennsylvanian Dutch sound just like this.

Keep in mind though: The region Amish people came from, the Palatinate, was historically a highly fractured region with lots of mini-kingdoms and small administrative clusters. While mostly Protestant, there are villages solely catholic, which were often trying to not mingle with the next villagers. (even it there was a mix of Catholics, Protestant and Jews)

This is mirrored in highly fractured words that are often different from village to village, even if they are just 5 kilometers away. (e.g. the word for soap or apple is pronounced totally different in the next village). This lead to some secludedness and distance which is mirrored in the article and why i think Amish were trying to maintain their distance from the local english population (if you discount the religious component of that population)

Funny sidenote: The highest rate of foreign migrants into the palatinate region --- where the amish came from --- is now from US citizens [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Karte_Kr...]

As one of the commentators above mentioned: This might be the literal translation, but the dialect and especially the people from the region this came from don't really use it this way. The "Pfälzische Wörterbuch" (Which also includes some Pennsylvanian Dutch words) has an entry for "lieben" [https://woerterbuchnetz.de/?sigle=PfWB&lemid=L01838], but also notes in the first sentence that it is not used generally.

The love concept for people from the Pfalz is expressed differently for this dialect specially. We would say "ich hann dich gern" or "ich hann dich lieb", but never "ich lieb dich". There is even an informal joke from my area, that we are incapable of expressing this feeling properly. Given that most Amish are from here, i can understand what she is referring to, but it seems misplaced for the article specially.

Why can't i just shake the feeling that Steam Machines will Valve's gateway to release Half-Life 3 as a Steam Machine title exclusive? Furthermore, HL will only be Linux exclusive, at least for the first few months to put pressure on Sony, MS and Nintendo and the GTA6 launch.

This was the only point I also disagreed! And i also share the same sentiment you observed.

But thinking about it, it highly depends on the situation and the way someone phrases it. The example used in the article is exaggerated. Relation creates a sense of shared feelings only if you are trying to approximate the other person's feeling and thoughts and if you disengaged directly after you said "i also stubbed my toe once". Most of the time, people don't stop there and keep on telling THEIR story and how they felt, instead of just being an interjection. This is not the fault of people, but a normal way of most people doing conversation. I guess the author is thinking about these persons.

Unbelievable! I use WebODM for a few projects and was wondering when the team might consider incorporating NeRFs in their porduct. Seeing this done in UE4 and maybe some work i see great potential for construction work, farms or archeological digs in problematic areas for fast and only basic information-gathering needs.

Not an amen. I noticed a lot of people refer to breakbeats in general as "amen". The "correct" term for drum breaks and solos of old funk and soul records is "Breakbeat" as defined by a lot of Hip Hop Artists. A dead and flagged comment in this thread mentioned the "Ultimate Beats & Breaks" records, which are the basis for HipHop from 1988 onwards and of course UK Hardcore/Jungle/DnB.

Yeah, it's one of the Classic DnB/Jungle breaks. Like on this one:

Deep Blue - The Helicopter Tune (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vbnxrccBQQ)

classic Jungle and Drum & Bass Breaks are

Lyn Collins - Think

Bobby Byrd - Hot Pants (I'm Coming)

Incredible Bongo Band - Apache

Blowfly - Sesame Street

James Brown - Soul Pride

James Brown - Funky Drummer

I recommend Tim Cant's "A Beginner's Guide To Jungle Breakbeats" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuaKtIjSY_A]

The so called 'jungle music' is defined by the amen - it is not jungle unless it has it. Period.

This is definitely NOT TRUE! Plenty of jungle has no amens in it: DJ Hype - Roll Da Beats (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNo9NR3F7KA)

DJ Dextrous (Da Kings Of The Jungle) - Time To Move (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhXUEetPY6E)

Tom & Jerry - Maximum Style (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVukhJ1acSc)

Dillinja - Tear Down Da Whole Place (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVGJGR5maI)

THE MOST WELL KNOWN JUNGLE TUNE OF ALL TIME HAS Z E R O AMENS IN IT:

M-Beat - Incredible (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2Bgj-za5k)

It's the Blowfly - Sesame's Treat break.

I'm confused by GP's comment. I think there should be a distinction, as people generally think of influence on music artistically, rather than technical. The NeXTCube might have been influential on the technical and academic side, but as you mentioned the Amiga and Atari were responsible for an artistic revolution by progressing and even creating whole genres.

Aphex Twin used Amigas, not NeXTCubes.

I don't really believe that, as using chinese characters would lead to a much higher information density compared to using alphabet, which in turn would've tuned out to make books much lighter and being able to print more pages on one sheet, compared to two with the same informational value in western languages.

I like Transkribus a lot and it is extremely helpful to get quick transcriptions, especially when the models are trained well. It will never get to 100%, but manual intervention is always needed. And Transkribus is a really, realls well-thought out piece of software, even though its heavy dependencies on Java make it slow, especially on 50+ page documents.

However, i never liked their move from a research project to a commercial model. Their signup has plenty of credits for an individual who just wants to edit their family documents, but i still think it should be a bit more lenient for personal use.

Thankfully there is eScriptorium. Even if it is still in early development it is a more user-friendly alternative to Transkribus. https://gitlab.com/scripta/escriptorium